TIEKERHOOK breedings in the USA???? - Page 15

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This is Moses, ( G litter houserhaus) he is a super strong dog / very clear headed. He does great with the handler and family. (2 kids)
Super match with Nick over Tom.

Daryl:   Who is the dog in your avitar...Great head and I like him....I assume?? a male.....lol

Hi Hunter!! Good to see you posting......drop me a line....

YR

That's Hutch van Tiekerhook, my first full blooded west workinline dog.  I had him started in schutzhund up to 19 months age, but left the club due to a marriage separation.  He was well started in bitework and obedience, and was progressing very swiftly.  Not as much worked in tracking.  Was ready for his BH before age, but not had the opportunity afterward.  I've put him on sheep and goats several times, but he's not one of my primary herding dogs.

Hutch has striking light colored eyes.  I've got a boy from him due to an accidental breeding that's going to be incredible looking dog, darker sable, dark eyes, and wider head.  Same incredible aggression with naturally willing temperament, named Pike von Ehret, shown below at 2 & half months.

I have a G Litter Houserhaus dog out of Max Tiekerhook (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/search.html?string_in=gildo+vom+houserhaus&index_in=All&results_in=10) who has just started to show handler aggression towards me.  I have had this dog since he was 8 weeks old and have been training him for Schutzhund.

He was getting very possesive of his food recently but last night he growled at me and showed his teeth when I went to take a stuffed animal from him.  Tonight he showed aggression when I walked by him in a dark hallway and he knew it was me - he came up  and was looking at me with a deep growl while I was against a wall - scary situation!   If I moved suddenly or towards him I think he would have bit me.

It appears that he is getting older and starting to challenge my position.  

This is a major concern since I have young kids in the house and don't know if it is worth keeping him and trying to work through these issues with some extreme methods.  He is a very high drive, serious dog that I was getting ready to trial over the next six months but now am having second thought about what to do with him.  I have owned and titled Schutzhund dogs in the past but I have never experienced anything like this - I also haven't owned a dog from these type of  lines but I still don't think this is typical bahaviour.

Any reccomendation from people with experience with similar issues would be appreciated.

He would have had to bite me, cause the first growl towards me and we would have gone to the woodshed and when we came back there would be a rank and file established. You now have a difficult situation because he has gotten away with something that he won't give up without confrontation, and that is respecting you under all circumstances. Don't know the dog so I won't go further, other than to say you must deal with this immediately one way or another.JMO

Take him to the woodshed right now.....use your alfa now    right now   do not let him do that . If you cant stop  him  sell him to someone who can and knows how.....

Yes it is very typical..hard dogs are  known for this.....because the handler doesn't know how to handle this type of dog..you should have seen it coming ....for sure...I  can not expound on this base...
Maybe you can email  some of these men here and let them tell you how...    

NJdogsports,
How old is this dog?  Out of curiosity can you post his pedigree?  There are many non confrontational ways to assert yourself over this dog.  You can do it by hand feeding him, by obedience training. By setting up rules in the house, the dog does not go outside till he sits and waits for you to release him.  The dog doesn't eat or drink water in the house until he sits and you release him, etc.  You can simply walk up to the dog and make him move out of your way.

I must admit the growling in the hallway is very unusual and is very concerning.  If he was my dog we would have a meeting early on and straightened out any issues.  As Gustav mentioned this needs to be worked out and quickly.  My appraoch may not work for you and that is why I suggested the non confrontational methods.  This behavior can not be tolerated and must be dealt with quickly.  

First, I would make a vet appt and make sure that he is not ill and doesn't have any medical problems.  Next, I would seriously analyze your relationship with the dog and your training.  Is the dog having any issues in his SchH training? 

Next you need to decide what you are willing to do to correct this situation.  I would be willing to challenge the dog on my terms when I was prepared to win the fight, even if it meant getting tagged once or twice.  I can assure you that I would have let the dog know imediately in the hallway that growling at me was unacceptable and intolerable.  I probably would have put a light on and then a swift and forceful action would have followed.  I had a handler aggressive GSD once and don't want another one.  I have done things differently with my dogs since him and my dogs learn from a young age that I'm a benevolent dictator.  It is easier to straighten these things out when the dog is 30 pounds as opposed to 80 pounds.    

I can assure you of one thing if you are afraid as you mentioned, the dog knows it and he has learned to intimidate you.  Once you show the dog you are afraid it becomes more difficult to correct.   Keep in mind that everything is yours, the food is yours the toys are yours and you control the praise and affection.  You also control when and how he eats and gets to play with toys.  A dog like this must earn everything he gets, the free lunches have to end.

Feel free to PM me if you like.

Jim

I trained a bi color male that was from Tiekerhook lines and he did have some handler aggression. I did what Jim (slamdunc) said and it worked wonders. Here is a picture of the dog I trained...





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Thanks for the quick replies.   What action could I have taken during the hallway situation - it didn't seem like I had any options that didn't involve getting bit?  As I mentioned, this is a serious dog, not the type that I think would have backed down if I had tried to correct him at that point - no leash in hand.   I have always maintained a dominant position with this dog and do the things mentioned:  make him sit or down before going out the door or getting his food, I hand feed him and demand he comply with a command (currenly working on holding a dowl).  

He has never come up the leash after any correction and I have never been too harsh with corrections during obedience or protection - in fact most obedience has been done off leash with food or tug reward. 

Since I can now anticipate the type of situation where he will become aggresive, I was considering setting him up when I am prepared by putting on a slip collar and a strong leash.  If he shows any sign of aggresion, I would lift him up until he gives up and stops fighting.    I have never had the need to use this technique  but have been told it is effective. 

He turned two in August and seems to be testing his limits.  Here is the link to his pedigree:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/search.html?string_in=gildo+vom+houserhaus&index_in=All&results_in=10