Who objects to this dog being bred? - Page 14

My last paragraph was cut off. Here it is:

Last remark: Unlike other breed organizations like the Rotties (ADRK) or the Dobies (DV), the SV does not have a ZtP (Zuchttauglichkeitspruefung - Breed Suitability Test). This test is similar to the breed survey, but dogs participating in that test do not need to be titled.

Chris

Chris, Thank you for having the patience to  help us to understand the system, and the grace not to make us feel foolish for being confused about it in the first place.  For myself, I am printing a copy of this thread to refer back to when I get confused, and trust me - I will be confused again.

You are welcome, Sue. There is no reason to feel foolish about being confused. There are a lot of things I am confused about. Nobody ever stops learning.

Maybe, one of these days somebody can explain to me how an American football game works? I have been in this country for so long (almost 22 years now), but I still don't know the regulations. Embarrassing, isn't it! LOL

Good night, Chris

Chris, I truly feel brain dead and think I am confused beyond repair. Is it  correct to say a dog  is "breed surveyed" if he does not have his KKL rating? How does a show rating of at least "G" weed out dogs with disqualifying faults when we already know that there are long coats with "G" ratings and a long coat is a DQ? Maybe these dogs are "borderlines" in the judge's opinion? Is it possible for a breeder to register a long coat as a plush or stock hair in order for it to be eligible for a breed survey?

Anyway, thanks for trying to teach us the SV rules. I didn't realize that the US organizations were in charge of the operations in this country, but I should have. I will never breed a litter of GSD's but I often get into discussions about the AKC and what they could do to better and I want to be sure I am not distorting the SV's requirements when citing that organization as being the benchmark in the dog breeding world.

I think I"ll have that drink now.

BTW, Chris, I understand football, but it took me about 10 years. I guess I'm not a quick study . The problem with that sport is there are new rules every year, so it's hard to stay current.

Kalle is now over 10 years old. Going by the excellent comments above by Trafalgar, DH, Gustav, MVF, and others, perhaps the more relevant question specifically for this dog is: Shouldn't this dog have been bred more? What is the breed losing?

A more general question is: what is wrong with a system that puts more emphasis on coat length that is perhaps too long by 1-2 centimetres than working ability of the highest caliber? Is it really logical to breed a VA with poor working ability  compared to Kalle, but with the right coat color 100X more?

(when I say system, I don't just mean the formal SV rules but the system of actual practices in a community of practice)

Chris-  Thank you for your post as you helped me understand many things I was also confussed about.  Now I actually understand and can somewhat translate what the hell I read. lol 

Trafalgar,

Wonderful post!!!! You express many of my thoughts more succintly than I do. Unfortunately, many of the adament breeders won't or don't understand the depth of what you are saying and the impact to the breed. I really enjoy your post for the knowledge they contain which can improve the working dog.

This has been a very informative post.  Thanks to Chris for going into such detail on the SV rating system.  LOL I'm with Blitzen though and I think I'll have a good stiff drink.  It has to be noon somewhere.