What do you see in this vid? - Page 13

Jetta, without seeing the dog, its hard to tell because I cannot see his body language during the behavior. It may well be that the dog is frustrated with the timing of the reward presentation, it may be that you are waiting too long, it may be that he was getting it sooner earlier in his training and you advanced too far too fast and the timing has not kept up with his temperament.
I would not call this handler aggression or even aggression, again, going by what you describe, but, more of a frustration/demand problem.

As far as the bite work problem, same thing, the dog has learned to anticipate what will happen and gets frustrated when you take him away from his prey. I could say there may be a rank issue, but, again, I have never seen your dog...
Most good dogs will challenge the handler over something as they mature, the "come to Jesus" talk is inevitable and in your case, it worked.
Do you want this to stop? Are you ok with it happening?

K9L1, the proverbial line in the sand is drawn when you lash out at family, simply because they happen to be there, no excuses for that, I dont care how or what and while I cannot tell you that it will escalate to include other times, you cannot tell me that it wont either.

@koots.....I have not done the ‘put the dog away and try a bit later tactic” I have thought about it but as most yet speak for me at club timing is hard but I can do that when training alone since we are not on a schedule. I’m always open to suggestions.
Yes, I can try the second line idea during protection. The more advanced nipping during proteins is immediate no delay it does not happen every time. Thanks for the ideas.
I know it’s hard to give ideas with no video

@Hired.... i don’t think I advanced too soon given his nipping during OB started at about a year old maybe a tad older then that. I addressed it right away. He is very very fast twitched dog. I agree he is not handler aggressive but demanding in wanting his reward. I have and still reward when he is not nipping and a very firm no is given when he does. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t given the high high excitement during OB. I could end the session as soon as he nips put him in a down and walk away to give a few min to realize the fun ends when I nip, kinda of lime unwinding. He lives for the work so stopping what he lives to do may help. That I can do at club. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t given his state of high excitement during OB.

I would love for the nipping to stop in both OB and protection it’s hurts like hell. He is ball crazy and he will take the ball as a secondary reward during protection so I can reward right away after I fus him away from
TD and or sleeve. I know timing is critical but I feel it could work.
Thanks for the ideas

Well, it worked at least for today and a good start. Heeling today gave me a nip verbal no given put him in a down walked away for 2 min give him time to think went back into heeling about 10 since he seems to nip when heeling longer no nipping bam reward.
Did not at all after that in the heeling. Yes, frequent rewards withholding reward etc.

I would have punished the nipping as soon as it showed up with either a prong correction or a pop to the face.

jettasmom
just curious what you gonna do if no option to grant reward?

b.t.w. as told by others it's not aggression. seems like at some point you let this dog to get away with such act and he took it as permission in such way to let you know he is upset.

Valk, if he is just a sport dog, there will always be a reward. He is pushy because he needs more intermittent rewards. I too would have corrected him when he first did it, but, again, I dont know the dog, I dont know if a correction would take him out of drive, how sensitive he is to the handler, etc.
Every dog is different and every dog needs a different level of correction and a different way of dealing with it.

Totally agree with ValK's statement, this dog has taken this as permission.


Which leads me to yet another question I need to be sure to ask IF I ever decide to go ahead & get a PPD. Does the dog tend to nip/bite the handler in excitement?

TWC, it can and does happen, with some dogs. |
As far as Valk, I cannot agree with him because I do not know the dog, the relationship of the dog and handler and have never seen the dog work. Everything I have suggested to Jetta is based on presumption.
It could be that the dog needs a good correction, but, if that correction shuts the dog down every time he gets it, its not the right way to handle it, especially if you are competing. Too many unknowns for anyone to give a definitive suggestion that is based on THIS dog.

You could say mis or redirected aggression occurs when the dog is in a higher state of drive or excited. I'd say the odds are low that you would end up with a dog that displays that behavior and if you get an adult you would know if the person selling the dog is honest or if you go see the dog.

Apple, a fiend of mine owned a Sch III dog back 20 years. That dog would also take cheap shots for the ball, but, you could shut him down for a week with just your voice...He did not have an aggressive bone in his body, he worked for the reward and had to be handled very differently then another dog.