Dog Behaviorists - Page 13

If you want to substantiate "certified animal behaviorist", try googling it and you may also find universities that offer it as a program of study.

"Certified Animal Behaviorist" is not the same thing as, "Board Certified Animal Behaviorist", nor is it that same thing as "Degree holder in the field/discipline of Animal Behavior", nor is it the same thing as "Certificate in Animal Behavior"

Love your illustrations.  But I would like to say as being a general contractor.  Electrical Engineers don't necessarly know all the answers.  The difference is they know where to look to get the answer.

Momo, there is a huge difference between PhD psychologists and PsyD psychologists and no similarity between either of those and a psychiatrist who is not there for therapy but more med pushing.  Also psychologists get hardly any reimbursement from insurance companies because insurance companies use a medical model which is counter to clinical psychology.  But that is for another thread lol....

As for trainers and training programs, I have a friend who went to one of those 9 month long "shake and bake" dog traing courses and learned everything from basic obedience to advanced protection where she can supposedly train a law enforcement K9.  Her "hands on" training was at the local vet office and animal rescue without supervision.  But she has that piece of paper that states she is certified.  She runs the local SAR team and believes dogs do not have to potty off the track and it is perfectly ok to let her dog (or any other dog) break tracking to mark on anything upright.  This was what she was taught.  I was taught dogs potty in the cold zone before entering the hot zone to begin tracking and never potty (unless it has been a very long track with water given) or heaven forbid mark on the track.   

I do agree it takes years of practice/learning and working with other knowledgable people to learn dog behavior and training. 
 

Momo, there is a huge difference between PhD psychologists and PsyD psychologists and no similarity between either of those and a psychiatrist who is not there for therapy but more med pushing.  Also psychologists get hardly any reimbursement from insurance companies because insurance companies use a medical model which is counter to clinical psychology.
 

That wasn't my point, I am aware of the differences, my point was that many MD's and PsyD's have PhD's too, so the PhD does not signify a lack of knowledge, as stated by gsdstudent.  There are also many licensed MFT's and LCSW's with PhD's, even though they only need a masters to practice legally.  It also depends on the insurance someone has and what it convers, etc, but EVRYONE certainly knows that by now.
 

I have a friend who went to one of those 9 month long "shake and bake" dog traing courses and learned everything from basic obedience to advanced protection where she can supposedly train a law enforcement K9.  Her "hands on" training was at the local vet office and animal rescue without supervision.  But she has that piece of paper that states she is certified.

Please tell me you understand how this is different from what I described already, a dozen times over.  If not, I'm not sure how much more descriptive I need to be at this point because what you are talking about here, is not, in any way, shape or form, what I've been talking about.

Fawn,
If you have some time on your hands, read Steven Lindsay books Handbook of Applied Dog Behavior and Training Volumes 1, 2 & 3.

Follow the link to take a look at the books:   Steven Lindsay Books

Many behaviorists use only "all positive" methods which is unrealistic and with the wrong dogs can be dangerous.  If you want information about dogs--what they are thinking, how to train them with both positive and negative methods (even the use of e-collar), how to deal with aggression, separation anxiety, crate training, dominance..anything you can think of--these are the books for you.  The books are sometimes hard to understand and some of the neurobiology, cerebral cortex, neurotransmitters etc stuff you can skip, but the books are imo, priceless

Start with Volume 1--Classical Conditioning and Instrumental Learning.  The books are really fascinating.

Good call gsdpartisan, I had to use these book in school.

Kinolog,
LOL.... you have nothing better to do, googling and taking pills?


Momo,
Than have your electrian stamp and sign the drawings for plan review at the city, the next time you need a permit for a home renovation.  As I'm sure you realize, your son, if he chooses, can take that license exam one day, if he passes, he could then stamp those drawings and get a permit.  Your eletrician cannot do that legally and if the calculations are complicated and not reviewed by an engineer, he puts you at physcial risk.  Your electrician may not mention that part, to you, where he has a Licensed Professional Engineer in the State doing that work for him, but it was possbily bundled into the fee you paid him.

It depends on where your at.
I do residential electrical wiring new and repair, I only have to follow established codes and hold no license.
I do plumbing, same story.
I do have to pass inspections, but I do such a good job that's no problem at all.
Not only do I build but I design some of what I build, make the blue prints and figure materials to the last nail, and where i'm at now i hold no license for that either.

I agree with your post but just like before it's not universal, you should get out more, visit other cities, some places all it takes is money, pay the right person and you can just about do anything.
i've seen this activity in several major cities.

 

here in the great tundra sometime known as the eastern USA, we do not need a chill pill, at the moment l!!! I am glad my silly attempt at humor was not taken out of context but seen as a prod to investigate further. Fawn D might be looking for advice on her own dogs. She has been given great insight  She needs to investigate for herself. I do believe the original question was a prompt for a quest. Have fun with your dogs!