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Why should i read every article that is put on here, as i said i believe what i see with my own eyes I am a very lucky Guy i have the very best Helpers, Trainers in the Country to work with, That is enough for anyone, Plus i believe in my self in what i can do with the Dogs, a lot more than i get from most of my own kind thats for sure, 
But as i said there are better people than me with dogs but with there help when i need it and my own ability then i cannot really go wrong, as i said i am lucky, many folk would give a lot for what i get from working with such people
Steve1

Sue
I do not know Hans, i have looked at his website, He has some nice Dogs and he knows what he is doing, just the same as i know what am doing I have not mentioned the man so where Maggie is coming from i do not know,
But i guess Hans will not be taking any notice of her no more than i will.
 Let her think what she will it makes no difference to me, yourself or anyone else i do not think the people take the Lady very seriously on this Forum
Steve1

KCzaja-

Liked your description of the diff between WL and SL - interesting!

This fighting is just a waste of time and the extremes of breeding dogs that are either too square or over-angulated out of disdain for the other is getting very tiresome.

In the end, people will have their preferences, and some types of dogs will do better in specific situations. Versatility that is based on absolute mental stability and physical robustness are so important to this breed. The German mentality has eschewed taste and fleeting fads. Work is not limited to bitework. A top working line protection dog that cannot be trusted in social situations is about as usless as a champion show dog that runs from its own shadow. 

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by Prager on 04 December 2009 - 02:12


Most top sport dogs can not be house dogs because they would climb walls all day long.



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by Held on 04 December 2009 - 15:12


People who think high drive dogs can not live in the house are total idiots in my eyes and have not got a clue about dogs.


So, Sue, Held did not call Hans, or anyone who may agree with Hans, an idiot?    It was just me "making it up" ??   You are a damn Liar -- always have been and always will be.

Steve -- Senility setting in ???

Hans said most, not all, if you want picking little words, as well held said you can get any dog live in the house and hans agreed on it but you would have to "make" him which hans said he dose not belive it should be so. So once again it shows how little you know.

If you people are implying that show line dogs are incapable of doing protection work I can say you are sadly mistaken!

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by Prager on 05 December 2009 - 01:12

I have just seen too many top level competition dogs which could not do much else then to compete in sport. They were great in it but otherwise they were what I call social idiots. For example now ever popular ORRY was a top wold class sport dog, but a lot of his progeny has hard time to be house broken. I have and have had some of them here. They are great at Sport and but have so much drive that they do not care where they shit.

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Schutzhund should be a test of these abilities, not to have a self purpose in competition. That was never the original intention!.


So, Steve, you did not mention Hans' name -- but your posts are in conflict with what he has stated and THAT is where I am coming from Mister.

Some wine improves with age, some turns to Vinegar,
LOL..... just kidding Steve.
Its all in the Grapes.

snaiper -- I included the word "Most" in my quote -- you can't even get the quote straight..........

Everyone here is perfectly capable of reading what Hans wrote and is also pretty good at reading between the lines, which brings us to you and  your obvious and twisted attempts to stir the shit and create strife and problems between Hans and other people.  You can't stand the idea of Hans getting along with people you don't like, so you keep trying to stir the shit, but people here catch on pretty quick,  which is why you are failing miserably. 

It's really very simple.  People respect Hans and  can tell from what Hans writes that he has experience and that he only puts forth an opinion when it is based on his personal experience and knowledge. Whether a person agrees with Hans or not, there is logic behind what he says and everyone knows he is not a poser.   You, on the other hand blather on endlessly with your magical mystical  thinking based on nothing whatsoever, so no one respects you.  Now you are mad because you think just because you can repeat  what someone else says people are supposed to take you seriously too. That's another thing you don't get, it's not about mindlessly apeing what you have heard and you think sounds good, it's about understanding the reasoning behind the opinion and having the experience to form the opinion.  You can't back anything up.

Do you not understand that people can have different opinions based upon their own experiences and knowledge and both can be right or maybe both can be a little right or a little wrong or varying degrees?  This is a discussion of opinion, which usually means many good points and differences, not a matter of "right or wrong" which you always want to turn everything into.  Just stop maggs, you are only digging yourself a deeper hole with every word you type.

Now I'm off to club, so go ahead with your bad self, maggs, have that hissy fit, call me all the dirty names you can think of  using your cute little initial system you are so fond of   and don't forget to call me fat too, because that's all you've got on me.