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by Hired Dog on 05 March 2014 - 21:03

OGBS, As THE premier working dog, a Malinois does not have to be a dog that needs to hang out with the kids in the house, they are a working dog, not a pet.
Indeed they overheat faster because of their intensity, not anything else. They have also taken over the working dog world and replaced many former great breeds. Yep, they are cheaper, they are the working man's breed.
I also feel they are wasted in sports like IPO, they are much better suited for KNPV and NVBK.

by Mike D on 06 March 2014 - 04:03

Boo....

Here you go again......

"........and obedience tracking"

It seems as though you were about to give me a lesson on tracking in another thread not to long ago but then you disappeared.

One of the things you were about to inform me on was what it is you mean by this phrase, which you have used before many times with a somewhat negative tone.

Can you explain it to me now?

Mike

by Hundmutter on 06 March 2014 - 07:03

I too would love to hear what Bubba thinks "obedience tracking"
means, - thanks, MikeD. Well, BooBoo, how about telling us ?

by Hired Dog on 06 March 2014 - 13:03

While I cant nor will try to answer for anyone else, IPO tracking is too stylized, too restricted to function in real life and because its such, it can be called another exercise in obedience.
In my opinion, the entire event is set up in such a way as to be a fun sport, not a true measure of a dog's worthiness. The dogs that should be bred are the type of dogs Paul keeps looking for and wants to use in a breeding program and I cannot see many dogs of that caliber being mallable enough to compete in a points event.

by Mike D on 06 March 2014 - 13:03

HD,

"I cannot see many dogs of that caliber being mallable enough to compete in a points event."

Just to be clear....if "one of Paul's dogs" could be trained to do IPO tracking then he is no longer breed worthy?

Mike

by Hired Dog on 06 March 2014 - 13:03

Mike, IPO is not just a tracking event, its a 3 different phases one, I am sure you know this. You can go to the pound today and pick up a dog and train it to do IPO style tracking, does that make it breed worthy?
If one of Paul's dogs did get a tracking title, it would not be the title itself that may make it breed worthy, just to be clear.

by zdog on 06 March 2014 - 13:03

if one can't compete with their dog, they are either crap as a trainer or their dog is. I really get sick of the excuses. Do it, or STFU. Nobody says you haver to score 295 or better and do 15 trials, but to not even be able to get a 1? come on, admit it, you suck and don't know how to train a dog LOL It's easy to make a dog look crazy. It doesn't take a special trainer or a special dog. It does take a special dog to maintain power and control. It's funny that IPO tracking is worthless, yet generation after generation of dogs with ipo tracking have produced very good tracking dogs for all sorts of venues, real life included.

and isn't everything we do with dogs just "obedience" I mean if you really want a dog to do what it wants, give it free access to food, water and everything else and let it go. See how that works for you. Otherwise when it's herding, it's doing what "WE" want in a way WE direct it or it is just chasing sheep. If it's biting, it's biting what we want it to, for as long as we tell it to and it lets go when we command it. Obedience biting. Otherwise you just have a dangerous dog. Tracking? I don't are if it's SAR, air scent, cadaver search, footstep to footstep, urban or wilderness, it's doing what we train it to do with it's nose. If it's not, it's just looking for food or out for a walk. It's all obedience tracking.

Just go train your dogs people. you might learn something about them someday

by Hired Dog on 06 March 2014 - 14:03

Zdog, good morning, nice to see you are in one of your usual bright and cheery moods...yes, indeed everything is obedience, but, there are no points in real life, where the dog lives every day.
Train we do daily, dogs that cannot be titled, they are out there and its not because they suck or their trainers do, I assure you.

by zdog on 06 March 2014 - 14:03

are you pulling a Yoda jedi mind trick on me? Lots of dogs are working that can't be titled, I guess I was viewing it from a breeding perspective. I don't care if you don't have a "points" dog. If the dog has what what it needs to be a stud or brood bitch, it can be titled. I don't care what the excuses are. If it can't, then my original statement stands, there is issue with the trainer or the dog.

by Hired Dog on 06 March 2014 - 14:03

See, a sense of humor, thats why I enjoy speaking with you. Indeed my friend, there are problems with certain dogs, I have seen several, but, not the kind of problems you think, the opposite, too much dog sometimes, the kind that will not deal with being pressured into doing something or getting corrected. I will send you a PM, I dont want to derail this thread anymore.

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