It was proven before that Eros, Cello, all the way to Mutz bloodline produce super working abilities. Take Ule, who is linebred on Cello, add another shot of Cello and you get Griff TeMar, dog who was awarded performance awards at both (WDA and USA) Sieger Shows. On the side note Griff is also linebred on Ulk Arlett.

Keep digging......

Hero vom Spitalfeld BSP 2005

Nastor vom Wolfsburger Schloß
Xin vom Hühnegrab


I am searching old threads

Lasso vom Kampchen

Quote, re print from a member by the name Sih

Here are a few more:
Nastor vom Wolfsburger Schloß
Xin vom Hühnegrab
Lasso vom Kampchen
Triumph's Gucci

Nastor and Xin both finished 2nd at BSP I believe. Lasso was an Ulk son who was universal sieger. Had 276 pts at BSP (91 C). Gucci represented Sweden at WUSV. These are very special ones but every year there are 3 or 4 showline dogs at the BSP.

Hard to say what the cause is. Some of it is I believe genetic as the dogs are being bred for 'show'. Some of it is also a lack of interest from the owners and low expectations for the dogs. Others are afraid that if they work them hard it may break teeth etc.
I have a Quenn son who is 3x SchH 3 (SchH3-96,93,97=286, 
SchH3-96-96-94=286, and 
SchH3-88-92-87=267 and FH (96 pts). Wonderful dog that loves to work and excellent for club sport and for me to have fun with. Is V-rated (BSZS). In a lot of stuff that is posted here, there is this endless debate over show vs sport dogs.But GSD breeding is not just show or sport breeding. GSDs are used in search and rescue, home guardians, sheep herding, police work etc. There are plenty of 'showline' dogs that are performing those functions as there are 'working-line' dogs. This may be controversial but breeding dogs just so they can excel in sport is just as bad as breeding them just so they can excel in 'show'. I have seen plenty of 'working-line dogs that cannot work. So many sport dogs lack what it takes to be a strong working GSD as do showline dogs. I have had both of these types in over 45 years of owning shepherds and can vouch for this from personal experience.  

Randy,
Would you consider a National Level Helper, a person who is "qualified" to access solid working temperament or nerves in a dog? Would you consider that person's recommendation regarding a breeding animal?

Jasper
Bazi
Ule
Aeros
They all share Jeck vom Noricum in their pedigrees.


Gucci
Xasko
Jasper
Ule
Aeros
They all share Frei vom Hirschel in their pedigrees

Xasko
Gucci
Jasper
bazi
Jeck
Ule
Aeros
They share Cello von der Remerau in their pedigrees

Xasko
Jasper
Bazi
Jeck
Ule
Aeros
They share Mark vom Haus Beck

Nastor vom Wolfsburger Schloß
Xin vom Hühnegrab

Those two dogs are older than what we're looking for.


Hero vom Spitalfeld (that is if accepted in) has too:

Frei, Cello & Jeck Noricum in his pedigree.

Ibrahim

Carlos,

Name one for us.

Ibrahim,

You seem to be the data processor here. Can you print all the pedigrees of the dogs mentioned and see what dogs are common between them all. Say dog X is in 70%, Dog Y is in 50%, Dog Z is in 40% of the pedigrees.

I'm hoping we can go a generation or two more recent than Frei, Jeck, Mark, Cello.