Definition of Civil Drive for Police/P. Protection Dogs - Page 12

If that was the case any drive a dog expresses would be considered a zone. I call it drive and maybe zone is another way to describe drive, I don't have an answer. 

I can't figure out how obedience fits into civil drive, so who knows.

Not a zone it's a mind set.

unless you have a dog that bites in fear.

Fear is the fifth element to
the zone........It is how the dog deals with pressure.

Fear in an emotion that invokes the behavior.

Now you must as a trainer, identify all 5 and
use them in his civil zone...To balance, adjust,
the rhythm and continuity, while he is in civil drive..
A well bred dog has a propensity for collection
of all 5 states of civil zone.

Is this documented or your own conclusion? Are we know talking defence? Please explain how obedience fits into a dogs ability to bite a man without equipment.

I can't figure out how obedience fits into civil drive, so who knows.


Does the dog show you his willingness to follow your commands. His willingness
will determine how well you will be able to train him.

I know....and now you do to......if you have the willingness to be taught.

You must empty your cup and feel.......don't think....know..!!

I think you're mixing to many other things into a basic drive. Obedience comes during training, but doesn't bring out civil drive. Back tie a dog and have a decoy challange the dog without equipment. You can command a dog all day long, but at the end of the day the dog fights the man or it doesn't.

FO,

Is this documented or your own conclusion? Are we know talking defence? Please explain how obedience fits into a dogs ability to bite a man without equipment.



It is documented but it took me 20 years to understand it.
And I am still learning.....But it requires some degree of
understanding fundamental behavior anylisis.

After BF Skinners clinical assessments of antecedents
and responses in animals, dog trainers took the hint
and began using conditioned responses on dogs.
This was in the 50's. The Germans tried it with
the routines they use in schutzhund and began
a new methodology,identification of civil behaviors
they were breeding into the dogs at the time.
They began to group the 5 parts I have told into
a collection...Known as the civil zone.  Also
the Germans have the Warm-blood Horse that
they use in dressage. They do a similar group
of collection they refer as communication
of horse and rider.

Let me put it this way, if a untrained dog doesn't bite for real on command is it disobedient or does it lack the ability to bite for real (civil)? If the same dog without training is challenged and bites using it's own discretion what would this be considered? I just don't see how obedience fits into this equation. Control and obedience is used to set boundaries for a dog to bite.

FO,

You can command a dog all day long, but at the end of the day the dog fights the man or it doesn't.

You can jump ship and just say fighting drive and civil zone is the same......

Or next time you can look at your dogs and other dogs, look at them in new light..

Once you see what I am talking about....You can acheve your goals much faster
beleave me.