"NO CURS" EXPOSED FOR WHAT SHE REALLY IS!!! - Page 12

Steve, thank you for your thoughtful post.

"When you identify yourself as someone who is " in the trenches actually working with the throw-aways" I take that to mean that you are actively involved in rescue and placement of the many, too many, unwanted and unhomed dogs which our society produces. I admire your efforts in that area and have no doubt that the affection that you feel towards dogs and your willingness to work at finding homes for the "throw-aways" is morally virtuous."

Someone with a lot more time and experience in the dogs than I have once told me that it was her opinion that if you choose to bring dogs into the world, you also have a responsibility to do your part to help those who are already here.  I agree with that sentiment and bred a litter once; doesn't make me a hero.  In fact, I am sure that I have learned more from those dogs over the years than they ever learned from me.

I understand the dilemma you discuss but there is a very pragmatic solution: if you know ahead of time that there will not be appropriate homes for all of the puppies you bring into the world, don't breed.  It really doesn't get any simpler than that.

GertV,
               If you are Gert V, the Gucci dog trainer / owner, I salute you.

Gertv,
               Wrong Gertv, ......You are the Gert from South Africa, I was thinking of Geert from
Belgium.  But I salute you anyway.

I have never seen a book that suggests a bucket of water for culling.
What is the name of this book?

I agree,
most people today should not raise animals if they cannot face certain realities that go along with the responsibility one has for his animals.

I understand the dilemma you discuss but there is a very pragmatic solution: if you know ahead of time that there will not be appropriate homes for all of the puppies you bring into the world, don't breed. It really doesn't get any simpler than that.

Well stated, Keith...

Well, considering I worked animal control for 20 years, and yup, had to euthanize A LOT of dogs, believe me,when it comes to your own, it is still impossibly hard.  Just rotten, tough, and the only way you (well, I) can do it is to know in my heart that it is for the best.  At the same time, I was running rescue, helping rescues, fostering umpteen dogs, and raising umpteen foster litters. 

I don't know how many times I can say... if you haven't the rocks to cull, then don't breed. Not everyone is cut out to do the tough stuff - just like Keith could not have euthanized unwanted animals at a shelter... that's OK.  That's him. *My* particular kind of love is "tough love"; I think it means more to do what is necessary than to sit back and whine about how *you* are so special you just couldn't do anything so awful.

Let me give you an example that I think explains it pretty well.  Last year I was walking with a friend. We came across a young wild rabbit that had been horribly injured by a dog, cat or coyote.  The animal had obviously been suffering for a day or so by the look of the wounds.  My friend covered her eyes and turned away, and said "Oh! I just can't even look at it!"  To her, SHE is the more humane, animal loving person.  I was appalled at what I saw, had empathy for what the rabbit was going through, and immediately borrowed a shovel (the only thing handy) to cut the animal's neck, ending its life.

Who was more humane?
Who loves animals more?

You will NEVER make me think that someone who moons about killing an animal *loves* animals.

There have been, as always, many misconceptions about why I cull. And, I have explained more than enough now, and we need to move on. Some of the toughest moments of my life have been putting down one of my dogs/pups; but I have no regrets, and feel that I have done ultimately what was best for the animal.  Call me "hard" if you like, that is your opinion and you have a right to express it. But it doesn't make you correct.

Culling. Abortion. No kill. Elder euthanasia. Hell,evenjust plain "breeding" these days is a hot button word.  Fewer and fewer people are in touch with Nature, and in touch with "the real world of animals and agriculture".  This is the direct cause of more and more people who cannot live by the cowboy creed of "if you can't shoe 'em or shoot 'em don't have 'em". 

Keith, I am glad you are there to help unwanted BYB dogs.  I have given much thought to the subject over the past couple years, and while I understand rescue is important, I fear for the future of purebred dogs.  I feel WAY too much "air time" is given to the BYB's product, the shelter animal. 

The shelters and humane folks bitch and moan about the BYB, but then "enable" them by taking in and championing their product.  Of course the dogs have no say in the matter, and are innocent victims - but the humans should know better. They simply don't think about what they are doing when they discourage responsible breeders, and worse, discourage people from researching responsible breeders when looking for their new dog.

Did you know that their is a trend toward total disregard of ALL breed characteristics in shelter dogs, calling them "American SHetler Dogs" and doing everything possible to NOT educate prospective adopters about the dog's genetic background?  Yup.

Keith, you and I will have to agree to disagree on this one buddy.  I hope that doesn't mean that we can't respect each other's opinions.

Moons, the books are:

"Your German Shepherd Puppy" by Ernest H. Hart

and

"The German Shepherd Today" by Winifred Gibson Strickland and James A. Moses

The first is the one that suggests keeping the litters to 6 or 7

No Curs = Diane Jessup, who proudly bragsabout all the pit bulldogs and pups she has "culled". She runs Ch Sorrells fighting dogs, look at her peds. She is a complete phoney and known as the " ugly devil of death" to those she has profited from by taking their dogs after HSUS raids.

She is a fake. She is a manfemale that wants to be a dog man, but can't so she talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. She is only in this for the money. I have photos of her taking kids pets for her Law Dogs program The dogs slept in the bed and on the furniture and the kids were broken hearted, but Diane got paid. The hell with thekids and their beloved pet bulls..

What do you think the word cur means? It means a fighting dog that won't fight. The cure is usually a bullet. Ask her how she "culls". Diane Jessup is probably the lowest form of life there is and anybody with a dog they love should run if they see her part of anything. Oh yes, that photo is over 20 years old.She does NOT look like that.

Yes, another thing, is most of these socalled raids end up with a plea deal aspeople do have to prove they are innocent as they are shown as guilty without trial. Hiring a criminal attny is expensive business. The proscecutors brag about their conviction rates. No, its about whohas enough money to fight. The full power and money of the state vs one person and their family. Real fair.  The ARs and HS's take and selldogs or kill them if they are notsellable. Christmas is theirfavorite time of year. Sorry, but Im typing this on a laptop on my lap and its not working out that well. Please excuse the  typos. Ed had no choice, but you can be sure Diane will be right there to cast blame everywhere but on her perfect self(LOL)

Thanks for reading. This pit bull business is full of charlatans and greed monsters.Ego is what drives these peopl the most, esp a loser of an AC officer. Thats dog catcher around here. You don't need to be anything to do that. AnimalPlanet has elevated these people, but it's still a fact that only the hardest to employ and least intelligent and least educated get those jobs. Diane, I'm talking about you dear. You might also watch out for that sueable slander on your web site. I have it all saved. Reports of law officers are almost always so fraught with ignorance and tall tales and exagerrations about everything, they should be ashamed. However, police are allowed to lie. You try it and you will go to jail forthwith.