A CONFORMATION TEST in GSD WORKING TRIALS - REQUIRED

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by Videx on 23 January 2009 - 11:01

Hi Liz: The problem with so many posting on this thread is they have NOT read my post above timed at 09:01, or they can't understand it.

Kafferdog: You really need to avoid comments which are not relevent to the subject. Your last comment is stereotypical criticism of Show dogs. Simply start another thread and TITLE it, Criticism of GSD Show Dogs then all the assumptions, inaccuracies, and downright lies, etc. can be posted there. Another thread Criticism of Working Dogs would certainly follow. then all the "children" could have a field day or week or month.

by Videx on 23 January 2009 - 11:01

Many comments here are NOTHING to do with the subject of the thread, it appears that many do not read the posts, or understand them, they jump in ill prepared and shoot from the hip, missing the target by miles. They make stereotypical diversionary comments all too typical from working dog people on show dogs. Precisely the waffle and assumptions routinely spewed forth on this site by some 'self proclaimed' working people. The regularly repeated rumours, mainly inaccurate, or based on wishful thinking and even outright lies, and frequently repeated because they appeal to the MOST BASIC instincts of the human (un)competitive minds.

by Kaffirdog on 23 January 2009 - 11:01

David is not wasting his breath, this is a topic that is good to address as the age old issue of showline dogs can't work and working line dogs don't conform to the breed standard needs to be discussed and may well give people food for thought. However, it has to be looked at from both sides and Bobs input regarding judging to the standard is a very valid.

Margaret N-J

by sardonix on 23 January 2009 - 11:01

I would rephrase the line in the first post in:
For as much as working ability is very important in the German Shepherd Breed, CONFORMATION is also extremely important.
For as much as conformation is important in the German Shepherd Breed, WORKING ABILITY is also extremely important.

by Videx on 23 January 2009 - 11:01

Kafferdog: your comment above - "this is a topic that is good to address as the age old issue of showline dogs can't work and working line dogs don't conform to the breed standard needs to be discussed and may well give people food for thought. However, it has to be looked at from both sides" - IS SPOT ON.

by Videx on 23 January 2009 - 11:01

sardonix: EXTREMELY well put.

by pod on 23 January 2009 - 11:01

David, the criticism of show dogs is so very vital to this discussion if you are proposing that this conformation assessment is performed by show judges. It is abundantly clear why working enthusiasts would not want their dogs to conform to the modern day show winner type.

You conveniently avoid all questions that refer to the interpretation of the standard. The back and topline.... the clauses in both UK and FCI standards referring to these do not describe the modern day show winner. It is actually the working type that generally conforms most closely to both standards. If a reform of constructional type is necessary, it certainly isn't within the working type bloodlines.

by jennie on 23 January 2009 - 12:01

Videx,

the core of the problem is that you and many showpeople probably don´t like the conformation that makes the soundest working GSD, so if the working GSD are supposed to look like the typical showdog of course people are going to laugh at this. Can someone tell me what is wrong with the conformation with a sqaure build and straight back, you know the types of GSDs that was favoured before the split between work and show and that you can find in many working GSDs of today?

by funky munky on 23 January 2009 - 13:01

The majority of show dog owners know we have issues within the breed, i am yet to read a post from any working line dog admit they too have issues. They do not take kindly to being told thier dogs also have faults, all they same to do is slag of and try to make out they are some how better!!!!!. liz

by reason on 23 January 2009 - 13:01

The faults of the working dog are based on the opinion and comparision to the fashion of the show dog, the working dog although sometimes may look to require more angulation still jumps clean, runs fast and turns quickly, some working dogs do look like the dogs of the past but some show dogs look like the dogs of a future that none of us want to see, as a working dog, idid a few years ago some work with a very successful show dog, his mind wanted to do the work but his body would not allow him to do it any better than 60 per cent

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