Who says competitive WL GSDs can't have excellent conformation - Page 11

miles, a very nice dog.

eichenluft, excellent breeding in the U.S. Surprised you are still around.in this nonsense.

Rik

Another wonderful V RATED and NATIONAL COMPETITOR..qualifying twice for the USA GSD Nationals this year is V H'doc vom Rex Lupus SchH3, IPO3, FH2, KKL1 for Life. This dog has it all and has proven himself quite well during his first year out there competing at high level. And, also owned my Molly Graf of EIchenluft. Doc is standing at stud and residing in CT.

I have frozen semen available from this all black V rated dog: Doesn't get much more perfect then this guy
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/399832.html

Hummm... I don't want an unsound Showline GSD.... I don't want a "common" looking incorrectly build WL Shepherd, so guess I fall in the slot of those "Clueless Ninny's" who want the Golden Middle.  Both of my Shepherds are from good conformation working lines and while they can work they turn peoples heads because they're beautiful.

The one thing I know for sure is that I don't want to see the GSD breed (as a whole) go the direction of Irish Setters, where the show line has so much coat they would be a disaster in the field, and the WL don't look anything like the breed as it once was.  Same with many sporting breeds where the Working folks breed ONLY for working ability with little or no thought to structure, and the Show Folks only want a dog that can run in a circle one way for 10 minutes or so and stand purty...  The breed's future would be broadened and improved by each side considering ALL TRAITS when breeding. The fact that there are Working lines who are "V" rated and still compete at a national level in Schutzhund proves that it's possible.

I said Bandit doesnt look good!!!

That first photo of him is absolutely terrible but i see or rather read now that it was manipulated.  The 2nd photo of him really shows what a beautiful dog he is.

I dont see why people do that to the photo's in the first.  I wouldnt have given him a 2nd look if it was not for this thread and the other photo's of him that came up.

Those Swedish dogs are beautiful really stunning.

Thank you Tantra  - I shared that photo BECAUSE it had been manipulated - like MOST of the other professional-type photos made of these dogs are.  They are almost always photoshopped, especially the toplines.  Bandit's brother Bomber is also photoshopped in the photos you see of him advertised on the internet.  I shared both photos to show this- the real dog vs the photoshopped dog.  Look back at many of the other photos that are "well done" and from the side, and you will most likely be looking at a "not-real" representation of that dog.  Too bad when people must go see a dog in person before believing what they see or are told on the internet.

molly

It,s not too bad, It,s common sense. I would never look for a stud or breeding female with out personally seeing them work in the flesh. And not work on there own helper I want to see a dog worked with as many stressors as possible to be used for breeding.  

The golden middle??? the long drawn out road to mediocrity. 

 But the problem here as I see it is that "excellent conformation" isn´t the same nowadays as it was about 40 years ago, untill then you didn´t see any long curved backs with  much angulation, which adds nothing for the health and workingability of the dog. Personally I think it is a bit sad that this new look are now even in some workinglines and apparantly are the desired type for some. So as I said before, many workingdogbreeders will not strive for V-rated dogs because it´s not their idea of beatuy so why would they care? 

I mean if you look at this dog who is apparantly by many regarded as having excellent conformation, V-rated as he is, what does this structure adds both in ability and good looks that the other dogs below him lacks? Why choose that dog or similar looking over the rest just becuase they are V-rated? If the dogs below him are to ugly for a V.

 


www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/503537.html


www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/133300.html


www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/432151.html

Yes Johan, but before judging Javir on his "V structure" look how he is stacked.  He is stacked "extremely overdone" - stretched out and stacked too much, you could stack the second sable dog in this way and he would look very similar IMO.  I think before judging you need to see the same dog standing naturally.


molly

I think many choose "that" dog for his excellent accomplishments on the field. His "incorrect" structure does not seem to have hindered him at all in proving himself many times.

You post dogs for comparison to one of the top recognized w/l dogs in the world, dogs that appear to have no titles at all. No basis to say this is correct except what is stuck in your mind.

Rik