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by Sam Spade on 20 August 2010 - 19:08

Well, let me just add this. Do you think Bill Ford Jr. Knows everything about building a car? Probably not. That is why he has engineers, etc. Running a business doesn't make you knowledgable about production.

by duke1965 on 20 August 2010 - 20:08

but sam , you know there is a difference between carbuilders and carsalesmen !!!

by Sam Spade on 20 August 2010 - 20:08

Well I wasn't talking about the salesman, but the director.

jaspenhof

by jaspenhof on 20 August 2010 - 21:08

" I have no idea what Mambo-jambo's going on, just don't draw me into this drama. I've told you before Chuck, this sort of lack of proffessionalism is only self-damaging. You seem to attract these sorts of troubles often."
"DarylEhret"


Daryl says it best. This is what Chuck does.

Hans, you are doing just great. I'm just an interested bystander and I'm learning so much from you.

Prager

by Prager on 20 August 2010 - 23:08

Ha ghostly is making points without insults.
OK. I will try to go point by point .But  I'll do it in such a way  that you can not accuse me of "top toeing" so do not get offended.

1.Why was Mambo and his progeny sold .
This is a beginner's question which I periodically have to answer.
I do not know as for the others, but we have 2 reasons to sell dog like Mambo :
a)When we have genetics of such dog as Mambo in dogs like Fiba:
http://jinopo.cz/femalefiles/fiba/fibaped.htm
or Quint:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/631939.html
b) we sell them ,... that is, if we do not have personal attachment to such dog. We need to make money to keep on trucking and developing better dogs.
Also keep in mind that I and Jinopo are also buying these studs so we usually know what such dog had produced or will produce based on the knowledge of the pedigree. It is not as much of a crap shoot as you may think. Jiri keeps usually females from such breedings and so do I.

2. Mambo's progeny and his hips record
First of all 30 x-rayed dogs is about 10 or more litters considering that only about 30% or less people x rays their dogs.
83% percent out of that brings Mambo as a 7Th best hips producing dog in Czech rep. in year 2009. I do not care how yo spin it.
Only 5 dogs have had slightly more progeny x rayed. One of them was Orry which had only 51% which I know you have in your pedigree. That is below Czech national average of 58% for 2009. Thus it is funny that you have no problem with Orry but have problem with Mambo.
I am still trying to get the data on earlier years here, but I was told that 2008 is for Mambo at least as good.

3. Mathematical terms of "Some" and a "lot of"
You got to do better then that. We need to count better then 1,2,3, many.
Thus saying "some are good" and "many are horrible", does not mean anything.
Also this, you say, is applicable to USA. Well that brings me to my next point below.

4.And these stats could stem from the female that he was paired up with (Ghostly said)
My point exactly ! This is my pet peeve. Most people outside of Czech have no adequate knowledge to match these dogs. But they do and call them Czech dogs. That chops my hide! 
They buy excellent male and excellent female and breed them without knowledge of the dogs on the pedigree and how to compliment the sire and the dam and get crap and then they are surprised and then blame it on the people who sold them the dogs. Do you really expect that dog will produce excellently with any other dog?
Which brings me to another point below. :)

5. Ghostly said: I have a few of dogs from one of the people you helped get started so as for bring Klara and Uran into my breeding you ought to look at it this way I purchased these dogs from people like yourself that sold them to me in good faith maybe not knowing what I should have.
HAHAHAHAHLOL.So it is now my fault that you have got dogs from someone which have not got them from me just because 20 years ago or so I have sold them several excellently paired dogs which was their ticket to fame. I want some of what you are smoking! I am not going to go into why we parted ways but let me assure you I have nothing to do with the dog which you have purchased there.

 


Prager

by Prager on 20 August 2010 - 23:08


6. dogs bred in USA from Mambo were so bad that they had to be put down .
Well I am around dogs for about 44 years and I have never seen young dog below 8 years which had to be put down because of bad hips. There may be some, but I have not seen them. Dog has never problem in such early age when these panic stricken owners are putting their dogs down. Sometimes as early as 8 months of age!!! Usually it is a result of some other problem which dog has. Like Pano or soft tissue damage. Dog starts to limp . Person takes the dog to the vet who see signs of HD on x ray to lesser or greater degree. Sometimes there is no HD at all really, but the young dog is positioned poorly or is too young and bones are just a cartilage which is not obvious on the x ray and the hips look bad singularly for that reason. The unfortunate conclusion then is that if the dog limps in 6-7 months and has  HD (but really it is pano or soft tissue injury) then we have to put him down to end his suffering. Hog Wash !!!!!!! Even older dogs after 8 years of age if they have a problem it is because it is spine problem (genetic or injury caused). Or some other reason. I will newer forget K9 Samson totally dysplastic running up and down of deep snowy mountains in Wyoming performing as a Search and Rescue dog.



Well I better quit now. Please don't let me start. :)

Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

by CopDogs on 21 August 2010 - 02:08

Hans you sell many dogs I know, but to say not many young dogs under age of 8 are put down due to HD is very incorrect I had a friend who had a nice Chez male that at 15 months had to be put down he was in constant pain and when he had to go down steps or get up his xrays where terrible. Not Pano , not the spine the hips......I have seen it before in different dogs , yes there are different degrees of bad hips but there are many dogs that suffer so much at early ages and when you see the xrays you know why.

I have seen it in German dogs, Chez dogs hell I am sure it happens in them all. I do not know Mambo from Bozo , he may produce wonderful dogs but to think that he will not produce a dysplastic dog is crazy, they all do , if you or me or any human could figure hips out we would be billionaires LOL

GSDguy08

by GSDguy08 on 21 August 2010 - 03:08

 If Mambo offspring were put down due to having issues I highly doubt it has anything to do with Mambo.  It's either the dam, or the trainer.....the dam wasn't the right match, or the trainer didn't do something right.   I talk to most everyone who owns a littermate to my Mambo son, nothing but great things about them all.  Not to mention I know an owner of a Mambo daughter, different dam though,  very nice dog, great temperament, excellent drives, doing great in training.  Absolutely nothing wrong with any of those dogs.  As for hips though.....myself and all of the owners of Anubis' littermates are going to find out in January how the hips turn out since our dogs are out of Mambo, and they turn two in January.

Rik

by Rik on 21 August 2010 - 03:08

edit

RLHAR

by RLHAR on 21 August 2010 - 03:08

 *Peers into the mix*

I have two Czech dogs.  I would never have anything else.  Both are healthy, sound in body and mind, a lot of fun to train and compete with for what it's worth.





 


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