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by steve1 on 07 October 2009 - 16:10

YES, i know it is a Malinos and we have a couple training in the Clubs and they train excatly the same as the Shepherds no differently and doing well, You do not need your own dog it is us Guys in Belgium you will be training not your dog
Steve

by Held on 07 October 2009 - 16:10

Steve and Bob you guys clearly do not understand differences in dogs.Just because this dog does not have enough training to do a shutzhund excersize properly and percives a threat as a threat and reacts to it as any good working dog should, does not make it a nervy dog.And guys belive it or not not every dog is cut out to do shutzhund sport.There are some dogs that are too serious of dogs to be playing shutzhund sport.I do not know if you guys know this or not but not a whole lot of sport playing dogs make it into the real world real jobs like police or millitry dogs.As others have said you guys only know shutzshund sport and that is not good enough to know all different types of good dogs out there.

Also Steve I took my 6 year old niece to a shutzhund trial and after watching 5 dogs she knew every routine in protcection phase.So you are not that special.

Steve you surprise me for someone who lives with the best but know so little.As i have said many times before if i had a doller for every time i heard some one say they have 30, 40 years experience and they know what they are talking,i would be a rich guy.This is an awesome Malinois and not your typical shutzhund dog period. Enjoy because this is how some good dog play sport. Have a nice one.

by OGBS on 07 October 2009 - 17:10

( I really hate it when Mom and Dad fight.
I know they say it's about money, or dog training, or bad nerves!
I hope they don't get divorced because I just know it's all my fault!!!!)

by Phil Behun on 07 October 2009 - 17:10

Well that's not much fun for me, I help other people train their dogs every day. I thought I was going to get some valuable experience from YOU, not friends or countrymen. Such is life. See we Ugly Americans have to pretty much make do with what we have. If our dogs make mistakes during training we have to figure out how ways to fix them, we don't just throw them on the scrap heap and try another. If I were as lucky as you and had access to unlimited quality dogs then maybe I too could afford to make rash judgments and wash prospects out. Until I reach such pinnacles in the dog world I guess I'll just have to rely on the ability to fix broken arrows.

by steve1 on 07 October 2009 - 17:10

Held
i will try and educate you for the last time read my posts correctly, Not one of you peole have mentioned that this dog was not supposed to attack the Sleeve it was to BARK AND GUARD, Now it would have normally stopped and barked at the helper Inexperinced or otherwise because it would be unsure of itself If it was in a stable mood then it would but it did not it went like a bat out of hell straight at the Sleeve, which showed at that point its nerves got the better of it, I did not say the dog would be like it with proper handling in the future but you guys read my posts wrongly but i go on what i see on the one video asked to look at, not what might be
None of you guys bothered that it did not Bark and Guard all you were interested in was the dog biting the helpers arm nothing else, that was not what the dog was supposed to do but none of you so called Experts picked it up,
Well you think your experts so thats okay i certainly have another opinion of your handling and knowing the Schutzund Sport and it is not a good one
Steve

by Bob McKown on 07 October 2009 - 17:10

OGBS:

                         Mom and Dad do love one another and yes it is all your fault!!!   hahahah.

Okay Folks:

                               We agree to disagree, Lets let it go, opinions are like ass holes everyone has one.

We can run this circle for the rest of our lives obvisouly some of us don,t like what we saw and some did, I won,t belittle you and you me. Part of the problem here is many of you look down your nose at Schutzhund or the GSD possible because in Schutzhund we expect more control out of our animals some of you call it a dance, Okay, You may not believe this but there are lots of Schutzhuns trainers that work there dogs for more then the highest points scored in the "sport" as i,ve said before we use bite suits hidden sleeves work our dogs in different situations and places dark buildings,cars,lakes, ect... I believe that the Schutzhund trial has turned into a sport with lacking any real presure to test the dog But if you think it is easy I,ll throw this down To every one who has posted to this thread. Next memorial day weekend in Indianaoplis is the AWDF Nationals bring your dogs and we will compete together. the talk will stop and we will compete in friendship and for the good of our dogs and venue, If this type of trial isn,t your game at least try it if it,s so easy and i,ll try yours.

Steve:

I,ll fly you over for the weekend and you can watch .  But do you guys drink your beer warm?

Held:

Let me assure you there are some damn serious dog that do schutzhund Mals havent cornered tha market in that.

by steve1 on 07 October 2009 - 17:10

Hi Bob
Good Idea but lets hope Held and P Behun take up your offer and i will take up your offer and come and watch to see how good these two Guys are at working Dogs and then i will come to my own conclusion s on how good they are and they will be useing there own dogs which they have personally trained so there should be No mistakes,
Plus it will save me a lot of saving up, its soon to be coming winter over here, but i drink beer warm or cold
Steve

by jennie on 07 October 2009 - 18:10

So it´s absolutely impossible that the dog didn´t have a clear understanding of the exersize and being in the excited state it is just wanted to bite that sleeve?? Many spun up their dogs in bitework before they learn the routines so they can´t think clear with all that stress in their head, but once again, then it´s more the training that has shortcommings and not the dog, or don´t you think it´s hard to judge this dog based on that single misstake?

Is this dog biting in the blind due to nerveproblems, just asking.

www.youtube.com/watch

Steve, I thought we were allowed to have different opinions, there is more knowledgeable people when it comes to dogs than only belgium and SCH. I´m not an expert but have some common sense I suppose.

by Held on 07 October 2009 - 18:10

I do not do shutzhund and never will and why would i prove myself to you guys. If you guys think you are special good for i do not.Also first of all you would have to be able to discuss things in theory and make sense and show that you know what you are talking about in theory before anything else.This is an awesdome dog but you can not see it, so is it my fault that you can not see that after 40,50 years of so called experience no so you prove to me if you want not that i really care that much.you have already shown me what you know and do nopt know and that is all i need to see.have a nice one. Again a great dog.

by Bob McKown on 07 October 2009 - 19:10

Held:

Calm down it can,t be good on your blood pressure, All I said is you guys come and trial with me and I,ll come to your venue PSA ? WDS? I don,t know what you do with your dog. It was made in good faith to stop a argument. I,m not asking you to prove yourself, you walk a mile in my shoes and I will in yours. Who knows we both may learn something about the other.

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