Just Curious, Where the ASL people at - Page 10

And how many of those shows did you go to Jackie?

It's cute that somehow people can now take credit for what their friends do...

"My friend went to a show for a week." = "I went to a show for a week."

Guess in IPO its "My friend got an IPO title." = "I got an IPO title."

Defend your internet buddies...maybe once you find out the real facts you'll figure it out.

I was in attendance of all of them except Oregon (it is on the other side of the country), and Novi (didn't like the judges + money constraints).

Raleigh and Lexington haven't happened yet. 

Soooooo, are you done being a jerk yet?

Congrats...one four day show a month you attend...hard to find the time to train a dog.

You done bashing Schutzhund clubs? Maybe actually giving us real facts rather than speaking in abstracts? You have no problems naming the shows that you can back up that you were at with facts...can't name the IPO club that you went to that treated you and your dog the way you claim...too much risk...too easy for someone to tell the rest of the people that you're lying and telling one side of your hugely slanted story.

 

Oh man...can't believe I missed the "figure out who needs muscle building." Lol...working dogs shouldn't need a plan for "muscle building" If they're being trained, being exercised, the last thing you should be worried about is which dog needs to "put on some muscle" for a show next month. But nah...who trains or exercises regularly? Just do a binge 3 weeks prior to the show to make it look like the dog actually does something with it's life. I'll add endurance to that as well...I did the math, sad when a dog needs training to run the less than half a mile (at best) that it would do on a given day...yeah...dogs that "can herd all day" but that half a mile in the ring...make sure you start working on that 2 months ahead of time.

 

You guys are right though, I appologize...figuring out what to feed a dog so that their coat is shiny, getting them to build muscle 4 weeks out of the year, and making sure they can gait half a mile a day for 4 days is definitely equivelant...if not more difficult than titling in IPO, AKC obedience, herding, or whatever else people choose to do with their dogs. Most performance venues just need a little bit of training 2 weeks prior to the trial and you'll get that title.

What I am curious about is how anyone who supposedly spends so much time training, in ANY discipline, can have so much time to write/rebut so many posts.....

Koots

There are people out there...that can type at over 60 words a minute. Many of us can also read quite fast. Not sure how much time it takes, but probably about 15 seconds to read through a decently sized paragraph. I would say less than 5 seconds for that post you just made. I know, it's pretty amazing. Also, those that don't regularly train dogs, might find this fascinating, but on average, a dog only needs one or two twenty minute sessions a day to excel at a chosen discipline. Yes...most people believe they need to spend 8 hours a day training their dog, but that's simply not the case. For those wondering...even bite work doesn't generally take more than 10-15 minutes (yes, I understand you would've had to at some point have trained it to know that).

BW, that's an unfair post to everyone, show and working alike. Those times you states only apply if you have training nearby, and it's generally frowned-upon to come to the club, do your own bitework only, and leave. Let's be honest- IPO training is a HUGE time commitment. If you have a family, the weekend commitment can be extremely difficult. Hey, there's a reason a lot of dog people are single! LOL Seriously, though, you're trying to hurt the "other side" aka show folks, but you're also hurting your own team by diminishing the amount of time and commitment it really takes to get a dog titled.

It´s different...

Over here there is no higher percentage of "singles" being involved in IPO -
it´s kind of a lifestyle ( at least it was ),
- Saturday and Sunday are "family days" at the clubs ( in case there is no trial or show, it´s about training and fun )
- during the week at least 2 times "training day only" after work,
- and all the other days either condition training, tracking, and / or obedience on your own after work.

Let´s compare it to Baseball, Football, or Basketball in your country -
training at least 2 or 3 times / week - a match at the weekend - workout at home = normal procedure....

Most of us don´t own huge properties, that said we MUST walk / entertain our dogs -
entertaining = training, no big deal, daily procedure

It´s normal to raise and train a puppy for trial AND for show during the same time - at the age of less than three years a male normally is show rated, IPO 3 rated, and breed surveyed ( where I come from, the females, too ).

And we don´t count the time, we don´t count the gas - otherwise you wouldn´t be able to buy any IPO titled / show rated / breed surveyed dog for € 2500 we raised and trained for 2 years...

A few American IPO clubs do follow this system, and they do have success - you wonder why?

Yeah Jen, unfortunately everyone can come up with EXCUSES as to why they don’t do this or that. Then they want a seat at the table with those that actually do. Want to equate shows to IPO training? Go nuts. I’m not going to give you the time of day though. You might be able to convince those that don’t do anything (average pet owner) that your time commitment is just as much as someone that’s doing a much more difficult performance venue, maybe it’s time you get called out for it. Worse yet is those trying to claim other lesser titles are also just as difficult…it’s always preying on those that don’t know any better. And no one corrects people…why? The negativity that comes back at those that actually speak the truth. Even whisper that a CGC isn’t the same as an IPO1 or even a CD and you get the world crashing down on you claiming that the person that got a CGC worked just as hard and it was really hard for them because they drove this much or had their car break down this many times.

It’s fine that some sports aren’t easy for people to get to, I get it. But just because you drive a couple of extra miles, or spend a few more hours sitting around at a dog show, doesn’t make your dog any more breedworthy. It’s sad that we excuse anyone that’s doing anything above the minimum. Once you’ve got OFAs and a couple of letters behind your dog’s name, it stops mattering what those letters are. Anything is better than nothing, and you’re allowed to stop at the first rung and make yourself out to be the top dog.

Hey Xeph and Hundmutter. How are you ladies doing? Wow stay gone a couple of years and nothing really changes huh? For what it matters, just wanted to throw some comments out here in support of the ASL and their owners and trainers out here.
Starting with the IPO peeps. JMO now but I know how they put down anything even remotely associated with the American dogs. I also know that's why the majority of owners won't even attempt to join a club and train.. Some I have known in the past have even made it harder on the ASL dogs in order to make them fail to prove their points. (that the ASL are no good) Now a part of me is like well I am so hardheaded I would hang in there just to prove them wrong. But the other part of me says why stay in a place where you are unwanted when there are other places you are?
I guess for the members of the UScA you possibly failed to notice the cover of your magazine some months back of the 2 ASL dogs on the cover? A male and female--littermates-not a real big deal they only got their BH. But what is a big deal is their breeder/handler is fortunate enough to train with someone who knows the dogs and what they are capable of. The male only lacks a few points to have his AKC CH--one of his majors was BIS. He is working on his IPO 1 now--Rally, CD, herding, CGC and service dog--all HOT. I know the female is AKC pointed, Rally, herding, BH, CGC. They have another sister with a few AKC points--she has been shown sparingly, but is hell on the sleeve-very driven. Oh and all OFA Good/Normal. Just goes to show in the right setting, where they are allowed to shine, an ASL dog CAN do anything they are trained to do. After all, isn't the GSD supposed to be a versatile dog? Bred this way for a reason?
I know what I have been through with my "mutts". In fact I lost my old dog last spring--the grandfather of my "mutts". I contacted the breeder and let them know and I was put down for breeding him to an ASL. So much for breeder support.
Xeph I am glad to see you are hanging in there. I was so proud of you with your pups and all the work you did with them (doing) and hanging in there. Just remember there are some who can't see the forest for the trees. If what you do makes you happy then you go girl. Not everyone wants a dog that is so driven they don't know when to quit. And on the flip side of the coin not everyone wants a dog that has the same lines and is linebred on the same dogs just because they were so great in their day. JMO but if you keep on pretty soon you will run out of options, breeding wise. I am in the market for a puppy right now. Saw something I liked advertised, pulled up the pedigree and there were some of those same old dogs I am talking about. Nope this definately isn't what I am looking for-search continues.
And right there is what makes us all different, I feel NOONE has a right to put someone else down for their choices. The main thing is if you are doing something with your dogs, that makes you 100% better than the person who does nothing. You guys hang in there and love your dogs for what they are and the pleasure they give you in doing what they do.
BTW glad to see I haven't missed anything. Always remember when you point a finger there are always 4 pointing back at you!!!!! Have a good night.