Von Hunterhaus, 39 dogs seized - Page 10

Sitasmom, if indeed these dogs are homed out and spayed / neutered it would be the best possible outcome. But if these dogs are being shuffled out the back door to the good old boys and are not spayed or neutered but used for breeding for profit to the same organization supposedly there to protect them against that, it would be a trafesty. I hope all the facts come out in the end.

vk4gsd, I learned a long time ago that I can't fix stupid so you are on you own.....I can only hope that your day comes and you need to justify your actions and they fall on deaf ears and you are condemned perhaps innocently...(Karma)... I watched all the news feed videos and saw no "stacked" crates so I don't know where you draw your information but would suggest that if you have some personal information to this situation that you would volunteer yourself to the legal system trying to find a resolution. Otherwise like so many "bottom feeders" just fill up and go away.
Again, my best hopes are for the very best outcome for the dogs and that they are all spayed/neutered and placed in loving forever homes and that they can no longer be exploited for personal human gain.

I saw a dirty house and obviously cared for dogs. I did not see a video or pics of dogs living in stacked crates. I did not see emaciated, matted, neglected dogs. I saw a house being used as a kennel, as it was not being lived in by people. I saw lots of garbage that shouldn't have been there.

momma you been  feeding from your own bottom, i have never seen the news clips or any other information than what has been put up here then i only responded to your stuff in direct quotes. if you want to call me on them fine, if you want to make up your own self-righteous justifcations and judgements of me thats fine to but recognise yourself as the hypocrite. 

vk, 'momma knows best', don't argue !
Look, even if you provide a row of proper, spacious
kennels for your dogs, if they are under an enclosed roof
and you go out and leave them for too long (say your car
breaks down & prevents you from getting home on time),
the ensuing mess in many of those kennel runs will STINK
because you have not yet picked it up / washed 'em down.
If that is the moment the SPCA or anyone else chooses to
walk through your door, it'll not only smell bad, it will look
bad.  No one is justifying anything, in the situation under
discussion;  momma just stated something that is a plain
fact, generally.  It would be worse in 'stacked' crates, if they
were in use, because of the smaller more concentrated area,
and the 'trickle down' effect !  As momma said, we need more
and clearer info on the case in point before we make judgement
calls, although it clearly does not sound good.
BTW I posted a few days ago on some thred or other that in the
UK we too have our RSPCA problems - this sort of situation is one
of them, in  that it has been known for an Inspector to walk into a
smelly area and make that sort of off the cuff decision without looking
into all the facts.   

Another thing that bothers me about this case is that they could only get this woman on one misdemeanor of failure to provide sustenance to ONE DOG.  Yup. One dog had an empty water dish and was thirsty. The dogs were "checked" at the SPCA and were said to all be healthy.

As far as their comment about the dogs being thin, that's a judgement call. What the Germans call perfect weight, America believes is famished.

There's just too much inconsistancy.

inconsistancy. I live in a State where the kennel lic system is tough[er] than most. It is there for good reason. I would hate to have 1/10th of the violations evident from this news video at my place.  Most places have laws and zoning to protect a neighborhood from a business being run out of a house. Number of dogs per property is another way a township can stop this from entering their neighborhoods. How can we defend this operation? I only hope DV learns a better way. She showed affection to her dogs in public. A pimp calls his whores ''honey'' and ''baby''. Aint he nice? 

I'm not defending the operation, the dogs should have been kept in clean areas.
BUT - - the more often a breeder is raided by they SPCA, the more often it will happen.
This time they took animals that were in good physical condition and not in eminate danger,  what's next?

These dogs were not sick and none were going to die any time soon..... It should not have been an "emergency extraction".

In the past, if such an operation was found, the authorities would give the owner 24 hours to clean everything up and come back for several unscheduled rechecks. They would instruct the holder of these dogs to reduce to a certain number by a certain date and then after that date, they would go for a visit and verify the number of dogs and the condition they were in. If directions were followed, then all was good, if directions were not followed, then the dogs would be confiscated and charges filed.

This would have given the holder time to get all the boarded dogs back to their rightful owners, and time to sell or give away any of the dogs over that limit. IMO, this was a much better solution for all involved.

I have a problem with "0" tolerance.
 

I´m not tolerant as soon as dependents are in trouble ( be it kids or dogs ).

I´ve never seen this place, but I would like to know how many real kennels are on the properties, are these crates "normal" or only in use because of bad weather ( on the other hand, there should be dog homes filled with litter in every kennel for every dog at least during winter time ).
This amount of dogs is not to handle, it´s impossible to take care of them, and there is no difference between adult dogs and puppies.

You are complaining about the involved shelter - if I understood right, the land lord called the police, and the police called animal rescue. Although I don´t like Bubba as soon as politics are involved - but in this case he is right. Where should all these dogs go within hours? Not many choices..

The ownership question is something else - the rescue organisation is absolutely doing wrong, and I´m pretty sure, as soon as owners are able to proof that some of the dogs belong to them,  the rescue organisation will loose in court. But right now it doesn´t even seem to be clear, if the dogs are fostered "only" or if they are adopted.

I didn´t read anything about Europeans involved yet besides one stud from the Netherlands, the other (co)owned dogs seem to be co-owned pups or young adults with people from the States hoping for some success in the show ring like an investment... easier to pay than to train... bad luck for these people

Once again - poor dogs.

if the dogs were in perfect health would it not be a problem that 1 person could provide sufficient training and companionship to 39 dogs without employing help. just asking not sure how much work these dogs get.

simple for me - even if your dogs are in top shelter, food, health and they are not being worked and getting their emotional/psychological needs met through human comapnionship/training/work then no amount of fancy justification and rationalisation will make you anything more than a greeder/high class puppy miller.

but thats just me.

i do not beleive this lady started out to be like this.