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by Two Moons on 22 January 2014 - 21:01

I believe you mindhunt......just making a point some of the therapy specialties were of a more recent nature.

There are skilled people out there doing the work everyday , and they don't need some fool with a label coming along and screwing things up.

by Gustav on 23 January 2014 - 01:01

Good post Kinolog!

by vk4gsd on 23 January 2014 - 01:01

why all the hate just cos someone went to school?

by Loony on 23 January 2014 - 04:01

@Sunsilver - I was referring to those trainers claiming to use only positive training methods, when in fact they are usually mostly relying on positive reinforcement and negative punishment. There are four quadrants, not just two, and all four are useful in different scenarios. I had a behavior professor in college who taught us all about the four quadrants, but then proceeded to tell us that only positive reinforcement and negative punishment should ever be used. In my opinion, she had a very closed minded approach. And she was a veterinary certified behaviorist, but I felt had poor people skills and was limited in her closed mindedness.

by Hundmutter on 23 January 2014 - 07:01

Kinolog's post might be good, if he could substantiate
all three assertions.

Kinolog, one of the Behaviourists I have been referring to has the
papers in ANIMAL behaviour, but is not a 'behavioural academic', or a
vet, she is first, last & always a DOG TRAINER :
- BA(Hons) Animal Behaviour management;
- MSc (Certified Clinical Animal Behaviourist).
Plus, she's a Member of the Association of Pet Dog Trainers; which
isn't a qualification, but signifies her involvement with DOGS.

This is not uncommon, in my country at least.

Please stop being so DOGMATIC !

While there certainly are some behaviourists (academically qualified and not)
who deliberately involve themselves in more serious behavioural problems,
(to whatever degree of success - or not), you really shouldn't generalise like
that. I don't think Kris - as an individual - has any great claim to specialising in
any particular (range or type of) canine problems; but I do know she has
successfully dealt with some aggression cases, both towards people and other
animals, with a variety of originating causes.

by Sunsilver on 23 January 2014 - 09:01

Loony, so what are the other two quadrants?

Never mind: I found them when I googled the Ted Turner quote below: http://www.4pawsu.com/trainingmethods.htm

Someone I used to be friends with posted a quote on her FB saying

“If we can teach a Killer Whale to pee in a cup, you can train your dog without the use of punishment.” *

~Ted Turner, SeaWorld

I guess she hadn't seen Blackfish yet, which shows what can happen when the killer whale decides NOT to play along with the game!

* Why would you need to get a killer whale to pee into a bottle? Well I imagine as part of a captive breeding program...

And that is something I'm not at all in favour of after watching Blackfish!

by gsdstudent on 23 January 2014 - 10:01

one reason to get a Killer Whale to pee into a bottle? to see if it was drunk diving.

by Hired Dog on 23 January 2014 - 11:01

Indeed you can train that whale to do many things, however, this person, like most "all positive", whatever that means since no such thing exists, trainer, forgot something very important.
The whales are trained with food as reward, what is witholding that reward called? What happens when a whale refuses to perform a behavior...it simply swims to the other end of the pool and thats it.
When a dog looks at a bunch of kittens marching on parade, being led by a monkey across a 6 lane highway and refuses to listen to your "HERE" command as you helplessly offer him that juicy piece of cheese, what happens to that dog? If your answer is "he becomes a speed bump", pat yourself on the back and continue using that Electric collar to PROOF that dog in a very clear way that not complying the first time, every time, is not an option.

by Two Moons on 23 January 2014 - 11:01

Tell me you didn't say Electric collar.

by momosgarage on 23 January 2014 - 11:01

Kinolog's post might be good, if he could substantiate
all three assertions.

Kinolog, one of the Behaviourists I have been referring to has the
papers in ANIMAL behaviour, but is not a 'behavioural academic', or a
vet, she is first, last & always a DOG TRAINER :
- BA(Hons) Animal Behaviour management;
- MSc (Certified Clinical Animal Behaviourist).
Plus, she's a Member of the Association of Pet Dog Trainers; which
isn't a qualification, but signifies her involvement with DOGS.

Hundmutter, I know we are on page 5 now, but I clarified some of these details earlier, which Kinolog for some reason did not refer to. The person you know with the MSc fits my earlier descriptions of what kinds of academic backgrounds "animal behaviorists" can have and the certifications available to them after formal schooling and a formal residency. "Dog Behaviorist" is just a popular term being used too often today. At the end of the day they are either credentialed "animal behaviorists" or not and they are not limited to people specifically from the veterinary medicine or experimental/behavioral psychology disciplines. There are many Anthropologists and Biologists doing animal behavior, applied research, theoretical work and hands on consulting.

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