American x West German showline crosses? - Page 10

Yes Sunsilver, you are invited and you are correct in what you say. 

Since they'll be three I'll prepare snacks too.

will someone please show me a full "american line"   dog with a schutzhund title, ring sport title, etc? 

why is schutzhund so important?  because not only does it test the dogs ability to work it also test the dogs tempernment.   you know, like the ability to work under pressure.    and PLEASE dont bring up bitework again.  hell, you have to pass a BH (that doesnt have bitework) before you can go for a schutzhund title. 

sure you can find faults in any dog you chose to look at.   to me  you just dont have to look as long at an american shepherd.  or as hard for that matter. 

roach back?   what about the over angulated stack that the AKC loves so much.   keep stretching those poor creatures out.  sooner or later the back is going to snap.

can someone tell me what percentage of american shepherds that are "Champions" or ROM,  have  a herding title?  i find it funny how so many people trying to defend american shepherds always bring herding up.   reminds me of the "trotting" dog phrase.

oh well, carry on, im done.  back to the Schutzhund field i go. 

you keep bashing my sport and i will keep bashing your ring runners. 

john

How do you post twice and only show 1 post? Crazy!

John, either they don't get it or they don't want to get it. They will continue to rationalize breeding ASSes until the cows come home.  

i know sue.   i just cant help but vent sometimes.  

i still would like to know the A.S.S.  with a schutzhund title.

john

John, I guess this is just the day for you and 4pack to put me in the position of answering your questions. :-) Scott Bodecker started in schutzhund with an Ambred, as I recall. Admittedly, I don't know whether he titled the dog. There was an American-line dog that I think was titled at Snohomish Sch Club in Washington State. The dog's name was General Lee Tucker and I think he was titled sometime between 1994 and 1997. I will check in the am and get back to you. General was bred by essentially a BYB. But, as NONE of the show Ambred breeders around her bother to even get OB titles on their dogs, or herding titles, tracking titles are unheard of, BYB breeders don't appear to be much less. I haven't even seen a catalogue in 25 years that even reflected a CGC or TT on any gsd entered in the show. .

Here's a previous thread on the subject: Any AKC Breed Champions With Schutzhund Degrees?

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/21116.html#21235

Not about to wade through 90, no doubt mostly defensive posts on a thread about AKC champions. The question is whether any Ambred earned a schutzhund title, not whether a GERMAN IMPORT ever became an AKC conformation champion, which seemed to be the focus of the thread " has any AKC champion ever had a schutzhund title." That thread recounted IMPORTS who then did well in the AKC ring. Remember, not ALL AMERICAN LINES are show dogs or "AKC Champions." . If you KNOW of an AMERICAN LINE gsd that earned a schutzhund title, you can ceretainly state that. Simply directing to close-but-no-cigar thread does not do that.

Not about to wade through 90, no doubt mostly defensive posts on a thread about AKC champions. The question is whether any Ambred earned a schutzhund title, not whether a GERMAN IMPORT ever became an AKC conformation champion, which seemed to be the focus of the thread " has any AKC champion ever had a schutzhund title." That thread recounted IMPORTS who then did well in the AKC ring. Remember, not ALL AMERICAN LINES are show dogs or "AKC Champions." . If you KNOW of an AMERICAN LINE gsd that earned a schutzhund title, you can certainly state that. Simply directing to close-but-no-cigar thread does not do that.