Inferior Quality VonWilhendorf Dog - Page 10

 @  isachev    I believe the post  Iron Horse  is refering to is on bottom of page 8.

Inferior Quality VonWilhendorf Dog by wilhendorf on 18 September 2011 - 20:09

wilhendorf Post: 29 of 29 Joined: Thu Dec 23, 2004 06:11 pm Owner edit

As is often the case,  this post is laced with lies.    What can be seen from the youtube tape is outright abuse.   I'd like to see the author stand on hot summer blacktop with bare feet as this poor female is.   She is continuously dragged onto the blacktop against her will as her feet burn.   She even tries to lie down to avoid the heat.   Some people should not have animals.   I can't get into the other facts of the matter but suffice it to say...BS.    A replacement was offered on numerous occasions,  as we always strive for satisfaction.   But after seeing how she treats her animals...no way.   JOHN

Donnerstorm, no, the movement won't disqualify a dog; by the same token, a dog that moves this way is unlikely to receive a high show rating, and the faulty movement will be noted by the Koermeister in the dog's breed survey. Go to an AKC conformation show,and watch the pups and inmature dogs there--you'll see a lot of the same type of structural flaw, and the same type of movement. But the situation does tend to improve as the dog is conditioned and physically matures.

There's relationship between front and rear angulation/length of loin/ length of body overall/set of the tail and whether or not a dog is cow-hocked, toes in or stands square in the rear,BTW...the cow-hocks develope to compensate for variations in the other structural components to permit the animal to function.                                                                               

      IN NO WAY SHAPE FORM OR FASHION SHOULD THIS BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE ETHICAL PROFESSIONAL BREEDERS OF THESE DOGS AND THEIR IDEAS OF PERFECT CONFORMATION.

    I feel like such and idiot, I've always thought  flaw meant  defect and improve was something that should  be  at least hoped for in a breeding. Being the simpleton that I am,I would tend to assume[ yes I know] that if a missing tooth would cause a dog to be disqualified then surely faulty movement and strutural flaws would also.But then I know that people like myself and RedSable have no knowledge of such things,oh BTW we're blind  so please excuse us for thinking we  were actually allowed to have an opinion

wilhendorf
As is often the case, this post is laced with lies. What can be seen from the youtube tape is outright abuse. I'd like to see the author stand on hot summer blacktop with bare feet as this poor female is. She is continuously dragged onto the blacktop against her will as her feet burn. She even tries to lie down to avoid the heat. Some people should not have animals. I can't get into the other facts of the matter but suffice it to say...BS. A replacement was offered on numerous occasions, as we always strive for satisfaction. But after seeing how she treats her animals...no way. JOHN 

  
Your last sentence leads one to think you are geniunely concerned about the treatment of a dog you sold, if that is true then refund the purchase price and take the dog back, otherwise it seems like it's about money and not the welfare of the dog.

michael49, I give up. You win. 

The breeder of this dog should have drowned her as soon as he saw she was cowhocked, and then shot all of his dogs with the same bloodlines because they obviously carry the genetics to produce that fault, too. The only dogs that should be bred are those without any flaws or faults what so ever, and the only pups that should be permitted to live from those litters should be the ones which are also perfect and have no flaws or faults.  Anyone who breeds or sells a dog that has flaws or faults, is unethical, uncaring, and is trying to ruin the breed.

Satisfied? Is that what you want everyone to say on this subject?

And, michael49, BTW--if you believe that cowhocks should be grounds for disqualification from the show ring, then I suggest you campaign to have the breed standard amended to include it as a disqualifying fault.  After all, the standard's not written in stone--it has been changed before, and it can be changed again.  And if someone as experienced in the breed as you feels so strongly that this fault warrants disqualification from the conformation ring and the breeding pool, I would expect you'll have tremendous support from the other experienced breeders and fanciers in the breed, and your campaign will be successful...and thus the problem will be solved!

[edited for sanity's sake]

   Thank you Hexe...lol

I only originally posted on this thread because I watched the video and I have never seen a cow hocked dog before and saw it as an opportunity to learn something (that's typically why I come o here), BTW thanks to Hexe and everyone else that answered my questions.  I didn't really give an opinion, but figure I will toss a few out there prefaced by the statement I am not taking sides.  1.  I have to admit I would have been p***** off if I had paid 3,000 for a dog and took her out of the crate and that's how she moved, I would not have treated her the way she was on the video, and I wouldn't have come to the internet to solve it.  2.  3,000 is A LOT of money and I would not have bought a dog sight unseen for 3000, I wouldn't have wanted a video I would have gone and looked at the dog, evaluated the dog and then decided if I wanted it or not, I don't care if I had bought from the breeder before or not.  I was always taught not to gamble with more money than you are willing to loose, and if you buy one sight unseen you are gambling with your money.  3. Iron Horse you posted the thread and now you are complaining that you don't like what is being said.  ARE YOU NEW?? I see by your date you aren't, so you had to know how threads like this turn out, you said you don't have to defend yourself to anyone here, and your right you don't but what in the world did you expect to happen? Seems you sure expected the breeder to have to defend himself, not so nice when it flips the other way is it??

It seems like the dog is staying where she is.

Jenni as in another thread, I will no longer bother to comment on anything that you say. I mean not on anything. As far as I am concerned you don't exist.  You are a head strong......and extremely dominant, person for lack of better word and you want people to tuck their tail and run when you speak. Who the hell do you think you are? You can't be nice in any thing that you say. I am sorry I wasted my time bringing up the fact that you should use care if you were to take the dog and quaranine her. Did that deserve a rant and attitude? You definitely have some personality issues lady. Was that your hubby that left you? Didn't you ask for advise on child custody and dogs and say you were dealing with a real nut case or something to that effect? LOL

Oh sweetie, believe me I'm not tucking my tail, I again will be the better person and ignore you. I really don't care what you come back with. This started out about the dog and that should be the only concern. Screw it if your dogs get sick, go get her. Afterall you know it all.

Thanks to Hexe and Yr who always have an educated response to just about everything that I have read on here. If they do come on strongly it is done tactfully and warranted in the posts that they respond to. I always enjoy reading what they comment on.

Good luck Natalee.

Donnerstorm, are you serious? You've never seen a cow hocked dog?!!? I'll bet you'll know one when you see one now.

Hexe, I'm merely stating my opinion, sorry if you disagree which you obviously do.You keep saying cull and destroy pups and dogs, those are your words and your thoughts, not mine. My thoughts are more along the lines of quit breeding for the extremes that cause these flaws and structural components that create cowhocks so the  puppy can compensate,again your words not mine. Yes the conformation standard has been changed and might be changed again in the future, I hope if that happens it physically benefits the dogs  and not the breeders and handlers ideas about  " proper conformation"