Clarification on WDA members participating in USA events? - Page 10

And then no need for WDA.... and then GSDCA taken over by those darn European style German Shepherds.

---Mary

  Good Plan  :-)

gagsd4, If you have been a part of GSDCA for any time, you may realize that your thoughts are not that far from possibly happening.

Shows that 25-30 years ago had 100+ entries are down to 3-4. Like P.T. said you can fool all the people some of the time, and that time has passed for these last hangers on from a lost era and a lost breed. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next 15-20 years when the old guardians of the GSD in the U.S. are no longer around and more and more members become sick of this joke in health and character that has been foisted on us.

Dog1, you ain't going to win an argument with someone who has a vested interest in their side. And why would you even try to reason with someone who doesn't believe what they are saying enough to put a name behind it.

just my thoughts,

Rick Atchley

unknown, why would you think that is a good plan. If GSDCA does fall to the godforsaken "German Dogs", it will fall to a membership who has one member, one vote.

that in no way can be good news to water toters like you. you need to pray every day that that doesn't happen. cause if it did, it would be the largest GSD organization in the world. and whatever anyone wants to say about them, the men have the testicular size and the women the testosterone levels to stand up and say who they are.

where is it exactly that a shemale like you would fit in.

best to you, dude, dudette, dudess or gender neutral Francis or Frank, 

Rick Atchley

Easy Rik,

At least we see where our differences are.

From one perspective; the view is we invited you to participate, you must change so you can. The other; we invited you to participate and we will change so you can. That's basically the two arguments. Pick A or B and the world still turns. Personally; if an organization invites you, it seems logical they will ensure they provide the means by which you can.

The other perspective is 'Financial Suicide'. My initial thought was USA shot themselves in the foot when they did away with the requirement to USA register a dog to participate. They reloaded and did the same through the WUSV relationship, why stop now? This scorebook thing is peanuts to the registration of how many dogs in the US?

Anyway, it doesn't take a degree in mathematics to compare the two sides here. One argument is USA shouldn't sell books for 50.00 because they would be shortcoming the value of the membership and be committing 'financial suicide',,,,,again. Let me get out the old calculator and see what this argument does to prevent financial suicide. Lets see, it a word problem,,,,,I'm a little slow with word problems.

Sheesh is going to a trial. It's a USA event. She has to;

• Enter her dog
• Get a scorebook
• Get some food from the club at the trial
• Get a few drinks throughout the day from the club at the trial
• Buy some 50/50 tickets at the trial

How much money does USA get when Sheesh doesn't enter? Let me see....we have 0 for the entry, 0 for the scorebook, 0 for food, 0 for drinks, 0 for 50/50. Hit the total button and I'm coming up with 0. Hold that thought and keep that figure in your head. We'll come back to it in a few minutes.

OK, Now Sheesh is going to the trial. She has to;

• Enter her dog
• Get a scorebook
• Get some food from the club at the trial
• Get a few drinks throughout the day from the club at the trial
• Buy some 50/50 tickets at the trial

How much money does USA get if they sell her a stupid scorebook? Let me see. We have entry 60, scorebook, 50, food 10, drinks 3 for her and 3 for the dog 6, 50/50 10....Hit the total button and I've got 126.00.

Compare 126 to 0, look at the opportunity that the organization is loosing and now tell me how you commit financial suicide by selling scorebooks.

Anyway, this whole exercise is stupid, it just reflects the stupidity of the whole JA concept in this country. Has anyone really been able to see a benefit? Was there ever a goal or plan? Anyone? Nope,,,didn't think so. Sheesh..........

 Rik


 Glad you are showing your age and maturity and you can drop your intelligence level to name calling..... I did not sign my posts because Dog1, gagsd4, VonIsengard did not sign theirs either...But I guess you do not need to call them names because they agree with your side....Guess what J.A. (Jack Ass) ....Some people have a different opinion then YOU...it is life, deal with it.....Oh and the "good plan" was just if we (all europen style dog people) could take over GSDCA and change the direction of the GSD in this country it would be good for the breed (although I admit I do not know enough about AKC to know if that is a reality)....so grow up Rick

 Dog1


  I'm sorry that you can not see my point. Your senario is a little short sighted in my opinion......I believe if some people could buy a UScA scorebook for $50 then they would STOP paying yearly dues of $100 per year, so over 5 year period, UScA would get $50 for the scorebook and $0 for membership fees, net of $50 for UScA.... Or, They pay $10 for a UScA scorebook and $100 per year netting UScA $510 for the same 5 year period....again I guess we will just agree to disagree....But I also say, that if you spent as much time trying to change your Org (GSDCA) as you do trying to change a Org you support in no way, maybe your Org (GSDCA) would issues scorebooks and all your problems would be solved......


   Frank

and still I ask, what about a good number of us that paid dues to both org's, entered trials for both org's, trained with members of both org's etc.   Why can't a member of one, be a member of the other if they want to be?  Why is there this "loyalty" clause?  what purpose does it serve and how is it making our dogs better?

Frank,

I see your point from your perspective. My thoughts are the people affected are only GSDCA members who cannot be USA members. I would think USA members fall into a different category than a GSDCA member trying to enter from the WUSV affiliation.

 I also Understand your point, but in my opinion UScA can't "risk" a financial hit to please "Non-Members"

 I thought GSDCA was going to start issueing scorebooks:

Score book by gck on 18 April 2011 - 21:04	gck Posts: 4 Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 08:10 pm
Both GSDCA and UScA are WUSV Member Clubs. Per WUSV rules, no WUSV Member Club may refuse event entry to members of another WUSV Member Club. WDA is not a WUSV Member Club. All newly issued WDA scorebooks are joint GSDCA scorebooks. If you have an old WDA scorebook, simply call the WDA office with the name of the dog and original scorebook number (for verification purposes) and the office will send you a new dual cover for your old scorebook. Gayle
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