Vindictive People....(SPELLING CORRECT) - Page 10

Maggie,
I should have did this sooner but, just didn't take the time to do it. First of all, we had a wonderful time for the 4th of July... Thanks again. I also want to thank you for the use of your wireless Internet service so I was able to get on-line ON MY LAPTOP.  I am so glad that I have a LAPTOP that i brought with me, and was able to get on this database, even though I was not home..HAVING A LAPTOP allows me to bring it with me when I travel...Once again thanks for your hospitality, and sharing your home and your friends with us...Next get together is at our place....

Steve1,
You must not have read and understood my reply I posted earlier, because all of the questions you are still are asking, I already answered. I do not question your practices and reasons for doing what you do... Just so you know, I do not feel the need to prove my dogs to you or anyone else on this board...As for our pedigrees on our dogs, I really don't care what you think of them..Obviously your opinion is,  if a person doesn't buy a title to prove their dog's worth, then it isn't worth nothing. But than the more titles and numbers the higher a breeder can price puppies.. Could it be all about the all mighty $$$$ ?


Actually, if the SV would really want to better the breed, than they would not allow a dog that produced a HD or ED offspring,  to be bred again....That would really be bettering the breed. I wonder how many dogs would still be breeding.....There probably are some who never produced HD or ED. But you should get my point as to what I am trying to say...Again, we have xrays on our dogs before breeding them. That is all I will do, because that is what I choose to do.. Paying the extra to get a number does not mean they will not produce HD or ED...Get my point......

You have no idea how much time and effort we put into our dogs. So do you really think it is fair to pass judgment, or pass the comments you did. I guarantee we put as much effort and time in to our dogs as you do with your. Which by the way, I am not impressed at all with either of your dogs..But if your are, then thats all that matters...GET MY POINT...????

I really don't care what anyone's opinion is about us, our dogs, or our breeding program.. Actually, unless someone is a potential buyer, than your opinion is worthless....I have many happy buyers in the past and I am SO VERY sure I will continue to have them...Not everyone wants to own a German Shepherd that is perfected to particular sport or routine...Once again, Steve1, you have your opinion we have ours...Neither of them are right or wrong... so please stop asking questions that obviously our opinions are different than ours. You will not change our opinion or our ethics....

Have a good day! 

"Obviously your opinion is, if a person doesn't buy a title to prove their dog's worth, then it isn't worth nothing."

I know Steve can well speak for himself...but I can't help myself...really...buy a title?! Come on... you should know that was not what he was saying or implying. Buying a title.. You should at least have a better judgement of character with Steve. Twisting his words deliberately. He was not twisting yours at all. 
People are only questioning your breeding values because they know how hard it really is to earn a title and and know how easy it is to make excuses for not titling a breeding dog. I could make excuses all day long for not titling my dogs and just start breeding them based on their pedigrees, and I would make money too. In fact, I could start by the end of the year. I chose not to because my opinion (standard)  is to follow the SV Standard before breeding. You are only adhering to your own standard.
They know that $40 is really not a lot of money to spend to get OFAs on an already supposedly cleared dog. Especially after putting thousands of dollars into the dogs, equipment, travelling and training already.
How much time and effort you put into your dogs is usually proudly displayed with a title of some sort.
You say you don't want to spend the extra money for OFA or in travelling to a club. Why, if you are not trying to make money off of your dogs? And I really don't care if you do or not, but you are accusing people working on titles of buying them.
They are going by the SV Standard, which is there for a reason. It is not an opinion...It is a standard.

Stacy 

nonacona
Who said anything about buying a Title certainly not me, Any German Shepherd dog i have ever owned was as an 8 to 9 week old Puppy never older and they were trained by myself no one else, anything they earned or the present dogs will now earn will be through there ability and my effort,  no will give me anything we do not earn by work
And NO' you have not told me what i asked you, far from it you are hedging and there is no other way for you because you have done nothing with your dogs simple as that and as you say you do not intend doing so. I guess that is your prerogative but you sure are not bettering the breed by doing it rather knocking it back
As for the pedigrees of my Three Dogs well they stand on the merit of there illustrious Fathers and Mothers and they certainly have proved it, Through the hard work of there owners and Dogs and also the G. Parents and G.G Parents of that it is there for all to see, Remember the Apple does not fall far from the Tree and if it does then you will only get slim pickings. and in my case they fell right under the Tree
However you will make a case but others here are not so gullible they know a thing or two about the workings or not of the breed and they also know quality
Steve1

Stacy

And just for fun- HEY YOU! Yeah, YOU! You're a troll!

Am I sueincc/SP, too, now? I always wanted an extra personality or two, maybe I can get one of them to scoop the yard while I veg out in front of HBO tonight.

 As I said before, just because we don't title our dogs DOES NOT mean we don't do anything with our dogs... Steve, it seems,has without a doubt, stated he knows we don't work our dogs... That is his opinion because we don't have titles on our dogs, proving we do work them...How can a person be so narrow minded to think that...It is his opinion only...I have not criticized Steve's opinion, but seems he just won't accept the answers I give him and he keeps asking the same question(s) over again..I will not explain myself again. If he accepts other peoples opinions or not, is up to him...I have not told Steve what he does with his dog wrong. I used the "buy" description to try and explain my opinion on how we feel about having titles or not having titles.  Don't you pay to enter dogs in trials? In turn one judge gives an opinion on whether or not the dog is worthy of the title? If so, in you get a title. You paid the judge for an opinion, resulting in receiving a title...That is OUR opinion.. But he doesn't seem to get it...I have no problem with the way other people work their dogs or what they think. Anyone who feels the sch way is the way to work dogs or to prove their dog is capable of working, thats great. Great if you feel the need to get titles to prove your dogs worthiness...I won't debate you about that. Who am I to say its right or wrong..Its an opinion...However, as Steve has done, don't say we don't work our dogs just because there are no titles attached to their names.....Sorry, I feel that an xray  done before breeding is sufficient enough for us. If anyone feels the need to get that number, than go ahead. Thats your opinion...However the actually results of the xrays are same after you get the number as they were before the number...

JUST MY OPINION!!!

Steve, before your last reply you said you were finished with this.. However you responded again.. I have no idea how else I could explain to you what you what to hear.. I am not going to keep this debate going about the worthiness of my dogs. I am so glad that your dogs stand on the merit of their parents, (pedigrees).  My dogs stand on their OWN merits and not those of the pedigrees. The same can be said of the rescued animals that has no pedigree and they stand on their own merits....Do you dare tell the police officer that trained that rescued dog his dog is not worthy to save lives because the dog's parents are nobodies, maybe not even known, and obviously have no merit....I am not going to elaborate anymore on this matter.. Just make yourself happy and do whats best for you, as I will do the same.....

Once again...JUST MY OPINION.

I did not say the SV was an opinion.. I tried to get the point across that any person who chooses that route, it is their opinion that the SV is the right way.... I NEVER SAID THE SV WAS AN OPINION.... Please don't make my works something I did not say. Once again, everyone has an opinion, and just because you don't agree with mine or I don't agree with your, it doesn't make either one right or wrong...Yours is right for you and mine is right for me...

I can't explain that any clearer than that... Now if anyone wish to continue to debate this, you are on your own, unless someone else responds to you, because I am not...

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