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by Prager on 14 February 2010 - 03:02

For those looking to produce a specific breed that conforms to a standard, working ability is not the be-all and end-all.

SAYS Who?

IN GERMAN SHEPHERD IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Prager Hans

by Xeph on 14 February 2010 - 07:02

IN GERMAN SHEPHERD IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!

To the detriment of proper structure (per the STANDARD not per the current fashion) and breed type?

I saw a link to a dog the other day with absolutely wonderful work ethic and drive.

He was ugly as sin and awesome work or not, you couldn't have paid me to take him because he completely lacked good breed type and structure

by GSDtravels on 14 February 2010 - 14:02

The point I think Hans is trying to make is that the dog should conform to the standard in BOTH conformation and working ability. But, since some interpret the standard to fit what THEY believe it should be, it would still be better to have a dog that can perform the utilitarian purposes for which is was bred. Better an ugly dog that can still serve the purpose than a pretty dog that can't. But one should not have to choose in the first place.

by Samba on 14 February 2010 - 20:02

Working traits are the raison d'etre for the Geman Shepherd. A dog with correct conformation and lacking in working ability is vapid production I can not think of a breed where I would consider it a larger affront and deviation in purpose than in this breed whose beauty lies in its function... not its ability to agree to be petted, teeth counted and display proper transmission in a large circle.

No a person should not have to choose conformation vs work in the first place and there are breeders who produce dogs where you don't have to make that choice fortunately.

by Prager on 16 February 2010 - 02:02

Beauty of a GSD is that of an athlete. His beauty is derived from his physical ability to work. Just like a gymnasts have perfect body so does working performing German shepherd. I am not here talking just about working ethics or the mindset of the dog, but I am also talking about physical ability to work. Compare it to the snippy looking, narrow chested,carp like backs, chimney piped necked, with hock touching the ground,bastards of a show world. Yes bastards or mutants. It is a disgrace!
And please do not ask me what is really on my mind.

Show dog!

Working dog ! You be the judge!
Prager Hans

by MaggieMae on 16 February 2010 - 02:02

by Prager on 16 February 2010 - 03:02

Point well taken.
I will try to explain it to you.
I do not know how to influence AKC or SV but I do I know that people vote with their dollar. And this forum is read by many people> My way is that I want people to think and educate themselves about what is the breed all about before they buy a pup or a dog and before they breed. I am not don Quixote and I am not going to fight the windmills of AKC or SV. But if people will see the beauty of a total GSD then I hope that they will want to have one too.
The "z Ps" lines were going to be finished if I would not import these dogs to USA and got them registrable here. In Czech people hated these dogs because they were used by Communist regime to catch people on the border. People who were running to Freedom. And many died. They were going to put all "z Ps" dogs down! However the popularity of these dogs increased by then to recognizable levels here in USA, Canada, Argentina, Israel..... and some people saw the opportunity and preserved these lines. There was in it some the love of these bloodlines (like me and Jiri and some others too), but mainly it was voting with the dollar. It is a need for workability these dogs in Police work , S&R , security or in home protection which will save the breed. The education of potential buyers. And that is what I am doing here and why I am spending my time here.
For the sake of the GSD.
Prager Hans
http://www.alpinek9.com

by LAVK-9 on 16 February 2010 - 04:02

Well I for one hope that the zPS lines continue and remain strong and no one is able to mess them up like the GSD has been already!!
It is one thing to try to educate people it is another for those people to want to be educated.
~L~

by wrestleman on 16 February 2010 - 17:02

When you look at the 2 dogs Hans showed in the above post the sable dog looks like a German Shepherd and looks as if he is physically capable of working at whatever chore he might need to do. The other one doesn't ,in fact he really doesn't resemble the sable dog almost like they are 2 different breeds of dogs. Did you happen to see Westminster last night and the GS on there, week hind quarters and as he made the turn after his gaiting his rear end slipped out from under him and he almost fell. You pay a price for all of this extreme structure changes. I still think the greatest injustice done to these show line dogs is not even the pencil heads and weak bodies. It is the complete lack of working ability that has been bred out of these dogs. That to me is the greatest disgrace. Hans was so right in what he said , Damn I can't believe I agreed with him again.LOL

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