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by Blitzen on 01 April 2012 - 12:04
by Ibrahim on 03 April 2012 - 19:04
1. What is meant by this statement?
As the speed of the trot increases, there is a tendency to single track.
2. In recent studies the 90 degree angle is not possible, so why insist on it?
The upper arms, also long and well muscled, join the shoulder blade at nearly a right angle.
As the speed of the trot increases, there is a tendency to single track.
2. In recent studies the 90 degree angle is not possible, so why insist on it?
The upper arms, also long and well muscled, join the shoulder blade at nearly a right angle.
by pod on 04 April 2012 - 08:04
I think you've highlighted two major flaws in this standard Ibrahim.
The desire for a right angled forehand is common to other breeds too. The show world needs to catch up with modern understanding of canine anatomy and locomotion. A 'right' angle may be pleasing to the human eye but it is becoming increasingly obvious that what is desirable for our titillation is not necessarily in the dog's best interest.
The movement clause asking for single tracking seems to have been written without understanding of the GSD trot. Single tracking occurs where the limbs converge inwards (when looking from the front or back), so the footfall of the left and right sides follow the same line. As the show GSD is a dog that invariably overreaches, as described in that standard -
"The rear leg, moving forward, swings under the foreleg and touches down in front of the point where the forefoot left an imprint. The result is that one rear leg passes outside its corresponding front leg and the other passes inside its corresponding front leg. This is a breed characteristic and should not be penalized as long as the body is straight in relationship to the direction of movement."
it should be quite obvious that single tracking, or even moderate convergence, is impossible.
The desire for a right angled forehand is common to other breeds too. The show world needs to catch up with modern understanding of canine anatomy and locomotion. A 'right' angle may be pleasing to the human eye but it is becoming increasingly obvious that what is desirable for our titillation is not necessarily in the dog's best interest.
The movement clause asking for single tracking seems to have been written without understanding of the GSD trot. Single tracking occurs where the limbs converge inwards (when looking from the front or back), so the footfall of the left and right sides follow the same line. As the show GSD is a dog that invariably overreaches, as described in that standard -
"The rear leg, moving forward, swings under the foreleg and touches down in front of the point where the forefoot left an imprint. The result is that one rear leg passes outside its corresponding front leg and the other passes inside its corresponding front leg. This is a breed characteristic and should not be penalized as long as the body is straight in relationship to the direction of movement."
it should be quite obvious that single tracking, or even moderate convergence, is impossible.
by Ibrahim on 04 April 2012 - 16:04
Pod,
Excellent post, thank you. I don't know why but it reminds me of my good old teachers at Prep. school
. Thanks again
Ibrahim
Excellent post, thank you. I don't know why but it reminds me of my good old teachers at Prep. school
. Thanks againIbrahim
by Blitzen on 12 April 2012 - 03:04
I disagree. Almost all dogs single track as speed increases. The exceptions are low slung breeds like bassetts, doxies, bulldogs. It's called maintaining static balance. Humans do it too. Every try running and keeping your feet spread apart? Run in the sand or snow and then look at the footprints left behind. The faster you run, the more the footfalls converge until they fall in a straight line. Some breed standards specifically address single tracking, the AKC GSD breed standard does, not sure aobut the FCI, but I will look that up. In a correct moving dog, the feet converge not the entire limb. Single tracking will not interfere with the correct GSD gait and any GSD that can't single rack will roll from side to side in an effort to maintain static balance.
From the AKC breed standard
Transmission The typical smooth, flowing gait is maintained with great strength and firmness of back. The whole effort of the hindquarter is transmitted to the forequarter through the loin, back and withers. At full trot, the back must remain firm and level without sway, roll, whip or roach. Unlevel topline with withers lower than the hip is a fault. To compensate for the forward motion imparted by the hindquarters, the shoulder should open to its full extent. The forelegs should reach out close to the ground in a long stride in harmony with that of the hindquarters. The dog does not track on widely separated parallel lines, but brings the feet inward toward the middle line of the body when trotting, in order to maintain balance. The feet track closely but do not strike or cross over. Viewed from the front, the front legs function from the shoulder joint to the pad in a straight line. Viewed from the rear, the hind legs function from the hip joint to the pad in a straight line. Faults of gait, whether from front, rear or side, are to be considered very serious faults
From the AKC breed standard
Transmission The typical smooth, flowing gait is maintained with great strength and firmness of back. The whole effort of the hindquarter is transmitted to the forequarter through the loin, back and withers. At full trot, the back must remain firm and level without sway, roll, whip or roach. Unlevel topline with withers lower than the hip is a fault. To compensate for the forward motion imparted by the hindquarters, the shoulder should open to its full extent. The forelegs should reach out close to the ground in a long stride in harmony with that of the hindquarters. The dog does not track on widely separated parallel lines, but brings the feet inward toward the middle line of the body when trotting, in order to maintain balance. The feet track closely but do not strike or cross over. Viewed from the front, the front legs function from the shoulder joint to the pad in a straight line. Viewed from the rear, the hind legs function from the hip joint to the pad in a straight line. Faults of gait, whether from front, rear or side, are to be considered very serious faults
by Blitzen on 12 April 2012 - 03:04
| Transmission: The typical smooth, flowing gait is maintained with great strength and firmness of back. The whole effort of the hindquarter is transmitted to the forequarter through the loin, back and withers. At full trot, the back must remain firm and level without sway, roll, whip or roach. Unlevel topline with withers lower than the hip is a fault. To compensate for the forward motion imparted by the hindquarters, the shoulder should open to its full extent. The forelegs should reach out close to the ground in a long stride in harmony with that of the hindquarters. The dog does not track on widely separated parallel lines, but brings the feet inward toward the middle line of the body when trotting in order to maintain balance. The feet track closely but do not strike or cross over. Viewed from the front, the front legs function from shoulder joint to the pad in a straight line. Viewed from the rear, the hind legs function from the hip joint to the pad in a straight line. Faults of gait, whether from the front, rear or side, are to be considered very serious faults. |
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by Blitzen on 12 April 2012 - 03:04
http://www.gsdca.org/Noframes/standard/IllStan1.htm
This is the link to the entire IS if anyone is interested.
This is the link to the entire IS if anyone is interested.
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