What do you think of keizer? help me understand this. - Page 1

Can I have your honest opion what you think about my Dog Keizer, looking for constructive critisism. I want to join, a club with him, but when i bought him i was a newbie, now he is all grown up. he is the best dog i've ever owned, but i wonder about his hair, if its two long, and a few other things. this is more for my own learning process. i know his  pedigree is not that great meaning their is no super dogs, or working dogs, or show dogs. But don't those dog pedigree's have to start somewhere.
Thank your for you comments, i realize alot of people think i should not breed my dogs for the reason, that they do not have titles, or the fact that they are not from Germany. But for the akc standerds of the breed they seem to represent the breed very well, they are the right size, weight and length, The have the temperment, and dispostion.  They are very healthy and well taken care of , and keizer is now 5 years old, and i just bred him for the first time. What im looking for really, is the constructive critisism. The Akc, allows these dogs to be registerd, why are they not excepted for breeding. Why did my breeder give me full registration, if the dog shouldn't breed.
Another Question,  If the dogs that professional trainer and handlers breed, for the own need of a hobbie and making money off a pup, cost 900-1500 dollars a pup. How do the people who just want a good german shepherd as a friend, and a new additon to the family.  Supose to be able, to afford one.  I guess there not, only people who can afford to throw down that much cash are the ones worthy enough, to own one of these dogs.  My Question is, what makes the pros breeding so much more ethical?
Thankyou, hodie.
You really helped alot, My whole life, i have wanted to breed German Shepherds, I have always had a german shepherd since about the age of 13, I bought these dogs, as pets. Three of them in fact. I have thought about breeding for along time. I did make a snap judgement that it was ok to breed these dogs, i did alot of assuming,  after seeing the breeder that i bought these dogs from, that i could do it too. The dogs, that are for sale in my area, are limited. I did alot of refrence checks on my breeder, and really thought i was doing the right thing. Most of the people who want pups here want them as pets. I still need to sale these pups, i dont want to give them away because i dont want to give them to people who can't care for them properly, i feel that most people who are willing to put an investment into a pet, will more than likely take interest in them and care for them. Im going to try to sale them with limited registration, meaning no breeding for 200 dollars, and stop breeding these dogs, and just enjoy them as my pets. I probley wont breed again considering their is no way in hell im giving up my dogs and i will have them for the next 12-15 years hopefully. But i have learned alot, and when the time is right, i'll have a better idea of what kind of gsd to look for. Thankyou!



http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/584649.html

I really hope this dog is neutered. I also saw you are breeding? Your females should be spayed as well, what are you thinking??

You should have asked these questions BEFORE you bred this dog and posted an ad.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/classifieds/77026.html

He is really quite an ugly specimen - tall and skinny, not even sure how can keep his balance his chest is so narrow I had assumed he was neutered at a young age.  I would have been kinder had you not already taken the plunge and now are probably posting because you think people will be interested in the pups.

Neither dog has a pedigree worth carrying on, and these dogs do not appear to meet ANY standard other than BYB. I would give these puppies to nice homes and spay and neuter them.

could you find someone who can get better photos of the dog. front, back and side........his feet should be set at shoulder width.......

that photo isn't helpful. find someone in your club who can stack him.

find out more about your dog's ancesters, have any of them been shown, or trialed? do your research use google.

these people are cruel.......

The photo is perhaps not the best, but he does not have good bone structure. He has a head bordering on that of a collie, not very masculine at all and at first glance, I too would have assumed he was neutered at an early age. His chest is very narrow.His pigment is not super. We cannot tell anything else about structure because the photo is not proper.

The pedigree is from nothing non-descript American named dogs, and there is not a single hip rating on any page. Did you do x-rays of the elbows or at least the hips before you bred the dog? And the fact that you do not know that AKC registration means absolutely nothing as concerns whether a dog should or should not be bred says a lot. You say you want to learn. Do it then. Stop breeding because it is obvious that you do not have the slightest idea about what you are doing. I don't even want to know who the female was of the litter. Have you ever trained a dog? Have you ever been involved in any dog related club? Do you know what the breed standard says? How do you know how to evaluate temperament, working ability, structure?

Just because you love your dog (and I am glad you do), does not mean he is breeding quality. Just because the dog has an AKC registration does not mean he is breeding quality. Just because you, who apparently have very little real knowledge of the breed, think he has a nice temperament and disposition does not mean he is breeding quality. And most of all, because you make such an ignorant statement about a dogs' pedigree having to start somewhere suggests YOU SHOULD NOT BE BREEDING GERMAN SHEPHERDS at this time with this dog. 

You ask why the breeder of the dog would give you a full AKC registration if the dog should not be bred. This suggests again that YOU SHOULD NOT BE BREEDING GERMAN SHEPHERDS. AKC registration means nothing, absolutely nothing. They have no real standards.

Let me be clear. I am not one who will tell you that your dog must be titled, or from Germany or elsewhere. I am one who appreciates people who love their dogs. But your dog should be an exemplary specimen if you are going to breed him. When you know nothing, you cannot even begin to judge whether he is or is not even close to the standard. I can tell you, from the photo, that he is not a good specimen. If we had a proper photos, I could say a lot more as would others.

You want constructive criticism? YOU SHOULD NOT BE BREEDING GERMAN SHEPHERDS!!! That is the most constructive criticism you are likely to receive. If you want to learn, stop breeding and learn. Otherwise, admit why you are doing what you are doing. It is not about the breed, but something else.

No Sitasmon,

These people are not cruel. These people, unlike you, know about the breed and know what is and is not proper structure, temperament, working ability, etc. You are one who wants to be a dog owner and make the dog a child. Be our guest. No one enjoys jumping down people's throats about dogs, but when people who ought to have some sense come here and post as did this person, yes, then people who REALLY care about the breed and where it is headed will speak up. Truth sometimes does not feel great. But in this case, the truth is the truth and is it not particularly flattering or pleasing.

AKC will register a puppy with 3 heads ....... they don't care .......  that doesn't mean that puppy should be bred. 

instead of throwing dirt in his face, kindly educate him, and maybe he will be more open to doing the things the way WE believe are ethical, but only If we educate him.......

We cannot educate him unless he is receptive, he will not be receptive after being slapped in the face.....

i would love to see every dog be tested for every possible healht and terperment issues before it's bred. not that long ago, i didn't even know such testing was available................he's a newbe, lets get him on our side.

I posed the question to breeders just the other day about which of the OFFA.ORG tests are done before including a dog into their breeding programs. amazing how few breeders do more then x-rays. is this ethical?



kim

I would not have posted harsh comments had not the OP already bred these dogs. No stack in the world will make these dogs look decent and a dog should not *have* to be stacked in order to look like a GSD instead of a furry greyhound with a black and tan blanket.

The dogs pedigrees are on the database and show a steady history of being BYB. Even if his dogs were STELLAR, you would not know what was behind them because there is no close up history.

The OP asked for criticism - albiet constructive. The constructive approach is love your dogs, not breed them anymore but find good homes for the puppies,  and take the time to learn about the breed.