Different Approaches To Training - Page 1

Pando is the president of the club I train with:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0rV9Vy7rJXE&app=desktop

 

(Sorry, couldn't get the YouTube embed code to work!  

 

I don't care what anyone says , positive training should be the basis of all dog training but at some point when the dog mentally and emotionally matures , harsh correction does wonders and is needed , specially when you're dealing with dominant hard dogs which can even be beneficial because you and the dog aren't gonna have rank issues and it's an mutual understanding, dog : I won't mess with this guy = life Is good, everyone is happy

Train an exercise for a fortnight; when you think the dog has "got it", TRAIN IT FOR ANOTHER FORTNIGHT. = "Proofing". He's so right about that bit. Train, & train again, with distractions, before you TEST it, before you RELY on it.

And COMMUNICATE with your dog, consistently.

Wish he'd started out being more specific, though; euphemisms like "2 by 4" are insufficient when describing the style of the abusive trainer.

Good that this was not just a slag-off (like others sometimes seen here) of all 'positive' methodology or saying that all modern trainers are namby-pamby crap !

I agree that all-positive training doesn't work. There comes a time when it's just not enough. I start training an exercise with hot dog bits as rewards, then as the dog learns it, gradually decrease the rewards, and use more verbal praise instead. And once the dog knows the exercise, it gets corrected for not doing it. This can be either a verbal correction, or, if the dog ignores that, a physical correction. Contrary to what the all-positive folks think, corrections do NOT have to be harsh! 

True story...because I have a service dog due to my hearing loss, I am very interested in what's going on with that type of training.

A woman had just finished a lengthy shopping session, and she was very tired, and the weather was foul. She had issues with her spine, and used her service dog to help her balance ( I think). She made it out to her car, but when preparing to unlock the car door, she dropped the keys. Her dog refused to pick them up, because he knew she'd run out of treats. She had to go ALL the way back into the mall, and find a security guard to help her retrieve the keys!

There is nothing that different about the approach that is discussed in the video that isn’t already used by most top dog trainers. The best dog trainers use the method that works best for the dog in the time constraint that is allowed by their customer or their own goals. If the point of the video was to take a jab at the “all positive” crowd, then congratulations it has accomplished its goal. The story told above about the service dog that “knew” the treats were gone is also just clearly a shot at a training method instead of being what it should be…a story about bad training. Any method can lead to a dog failing to perform a task. The dog failing in that instance has NOTHING to do with treats or the fact that it was trained in what is assumed to be an “all-positive” approach. The dog failed because it wasn’t trained, period.

Training methods need to be adapted to the dog. Any trainer that subscribes to a single method will eventually end up failing. Most dogs can be trained with a balanced approach…positive when learning, then instituting corrections for disobedience. Some dogs can only be taught with an all positive approach and will shut down with a correction or worse fight back. Some dogs can only be taught with compulsion because they don’t have any drive for anything except for “avoiding pain.”

Good video.

I agree with BW that training approach should be based on dog and dog's strengths/weaknesses.

Does anyone outside of Petsmart not know this?

Im sorry, but he lost me at "pet industry". Just saying. Might be a hell of a guy and trainer, but that was nothing more than a sales promo to the uneducated. Why do you think Hanzi liked it so much? ;)

Chaz Reinhold!

Mon ami, where have you been? Have missed your wit and charm around these parts....

Hexe, hello! Been locked up in a Peruvian prison. Didnt know they would check my bag. ;) Only given internet privileges on Wednesday from 2 to 2:05. Been using that time to keep up with the Kardashians.