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by Ibrahim on 18 May 2014 - 21:05
I always thought Dingo was the best trotter til I saw Uran's trot, watch till the end, I promise you you won't regret it. Enjoy
by Ibrahim on 18 May 2014 - 21:05
After watching that video, I now know that after 1990 what has been done to the GSD is wrong. Uran is the GSD our standard describes. Uran needed a little bit more length to front upper arm & a little more angle to the shoulder but otherwise he is the "GSD standard". Temperament, drives, intelligence, agility, size, angulations,............, he had it all in one dog. Wow what a dog !!!!!!!!!!!
Ibrahim
by Ibrahim on 18 May 2014 - 21:05
From Google translation, breed report:
Great, powerful and substantial, very good appearance, good general strength. High withers, firm back, good location at a sufficient length of croup, very good angulations in front and rear spar and, correct front, balanced chest proportions. Front and rear stepping, ground covering, floor-winning programs. Safe nature, hardness, courage umd combat impulse pronouncedly. Wa: 1985 Type Full balanced; drained off.

by yellowrose of Texas on 19 May 2014 - 02:05
Ibrahim: ;Thanks for posting that, as I am of course, prejudiced as Uran was the grand sire of my Bear Jerome,
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=499067-bear-jerome
BEAR was powerhouse and the owner of Kanto would not ever release a picture of BEARS sire so I only have Uran to base my guess as to what Kanto did..and looked like.
Long story but that is ok...Bear was all I needed and Adrian Ledda had a hand on him several times and I was pleased with his life and the two litters I raised from him.
Thanks , Yes, Uran had a lot to be desired.
YR

by bravo22 on 19 May 2014 - 03:05
Ibrahim,
Thank you for posting this. Believe it or not, I watched the entire thing. It made me think of the Disney show on TV as a kid somewhat. It was very picaresque and calming. You don't see these qualities on TV anymore. As for Uran, he seems well rounded and beautiful.
Post 1990s what happened that you reference? I don't pay attention to show line dogs.
Thanks,
Bravo22

by bravo22 on 19 May 2014 - 03:05
How does Niño stack up against Uran?

by yellowrose of Texas on 19 May 2014 - 03:05
I am laughing Bravol...I use to say same thing...but when I looked and researched my pedigrees from Cadett v BuseckerSchloss/Zilla v Weithurchen and some of my other Steinig Tal foundation dogs pedigree, I quit saying showlines... URAN and some of the dogs in our old pedigrees called west german showlines were exemplemary in work ethics...my pedigrees were filled with v and va so called showlines.>
I quit making that statement as I embarrassed myself before I studied the power of the older lines...but today I will say showlines..lol
YR

by bravo22 on 19 May 2014 - 03:05
YR-
I suspected I was putting my foot in it! Always happy to learn!
Thanks,
Bravo

by Hundmutter on 19 May 2014 - 06:05
Super video, Ibrahim, TYVM for posting that !
Uran was a great all-round dog, and its easy to see why he was
a [German] double Sieger (84 & 85). And an Italian Sieger.
As YR's post implies, Uran is behind many good dogs today.
Unfortunately he was possibly used too much at stud, as are most
'flavour of the month' dogs, and his overall progeny record (inc. grand-get
and beyond) leaves a bit to be desired. Of course these results are as
much dependent on both the 'luck of the draw' and the quality of all bitches
put to him, as on the dog himself. (Again, as with all Flavour of the Month
studs.) But he has been connected with: dwarfism ; blues ; some weakness
in ears / forechest / croups, and pasterns. His half brother and the following
year Sieger, Quando Armenius, produced better male offspring (w / stronger sex
characteristics).
My Taz is very much line-bred on Uran; although he does not have
a hinged topline or cow hocks, the couple of physical conformation
problems many people condemn in "today's" GSD, ( as though they were
all like that, ), as I have mentioned before, while healthy he does have several
other faults. EG he's too tall, he's overshot. The rest of Taz's pedigree is
full of other very good, titled dogs (including two more Double Siegers) - so
it isn't a case of one excellent stud in a page full of rubbish ! But still he got
unlucky. So I guess Uran is probably just as much responsible AND just as
much not responsible at all, for the way the breed is today.

by gouda on 19 May 2014 - 10:05
My friend Ibrahim
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the things you have taught me about Shepherds.
We are so blessed to have yo here on the Data Base.
And I would also like to thank you for the way you handle your self and present your self
in such a gentleman way.
I have learned a lot from you about my dogs and S hepherds in general.
But I thank you the most for teaching me to be a more friendly and more pleasant person to be around.
Please keep feeding me the things about Shepherds.
Id also love to see you in Canada and the U.S.A some day,judging
conformation shows. Have you ever thaught of becoming a judge?
Your friend
John {gouda}
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