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by HighDesertGSD on 18 March 2014 - 21:03
I am talking about the type that is just a chain with two rings at the end, no prong.
I read that this type of chain may damage the neck.
The subject here is a 70 lb lean muscular 25.25 inch tall almost 9 month old GSD male pup. It pulls very hard now on a buckle type collar.
It is harder and harder to handle him. He may get to be 26-26.5 inch tall,lean 85-90 pounds, as average for the males in his ancestry. I think I will not be able to walk him at this size and strength with a regular buckle collar.
I read that this type of chain may damage the neck.
The subject here is a 70 lb lean muscular 25.25 inch tall almost 9 month old GSD male pup. It pulls very hard now on a buckle type collar.
It is harder and harder to handle him. He may get to be 26-26.5 inch tall,lean 85-90 pounds, as average for the males in his ancestry. I think I will not be able to walk him at this size and strength with a regular buckle collar.
by Dawulf on 18 March 2014 - 21:03
A choke chain is no more harmful than a regular collar UNLESS you have it on the live ring, and are constantly choking the dog out. Then yes, you will damage their windpipe. I know of a lot of dogs that make that awful coughing, "reverse sneeze", frog sound, due to choke chains.
by dragonfry on 19 March 2014 - 01:03
If you are constantly choking the dog with the chain then yes it can be harmful. But a few well timed and placed correction should stop him from acting the fool. Or take it up a knotch and get a pinch collar and get a better correction with less force and power. Makes even very hard headed and powerful dogs mind their manners. I personally prefer the pinch until i have my dogs well trained, then i go back to a regular choke chain. I never walk my dog on a flat buckle collar. It's not safe and most dog can get their heads out of a buckle collar really fast.
What ever you do DO not use a harness for walking. Unless you like road rash.
Fry
What ever you do DO not use a harness for walking. Unless you like road rash.
Fry
by bravo22 on 19 March 2014 - 02:03
I don't use one.
For a flat I use a 2" leather with a handle on the back for extra grip.
I don't like the choke for some reason- personally. I do not take exception to others using it on their dogs.
For a flat I use a 2" leather with a handle on the back for extra grip.
I don't like the choke for some reason- personally. I do not take exception to others using it on their dogs.
by Jeffs on 19 March 2014 - 13:03
Why not switch to a prong? Safer. More effective. I think Choke chains are hard to use properly. It's hard to keep them high on the neck. And if they slide down to just above the shoulders, they don't really work.
by dragonfry on 19 March 2014 - 14:03
You can also correct the dog with just a leash and not even really involve the collar. But you have to use leather and you have to be able to "Snap" the leash against the dog's side or back with a flick of the wrist. It's really makes an inpression on a dog thats being an A-hole. But i find a lot of peopel can't seem to flick the leash to get the snap in it.
by Hired Dog on 19 March 2014 - 14:03
First, using a choker on a dog that is not hooked on the live ring is a waste of a choker, why use it this way when ANY collar will do?
Second, prongs do work much better and offer better corrections with less force needed, but, I have seen what many of these devices can do to the relationship between dog and handler and have not used them in a long time.
Now I use the Electric collar, mostly low stim levels, it leaves me out of it, the dog thinks its behavior caused the corrections and it makes for better training.
Second, prongs do work much better and offer better corrections with less force needed, but, I have seen what many of these devices can do to the relationship between dog and handler and have not used them in a long time.
Now I use the Electric collar, mostly low stim levels, it leaves me out of it, the dog thinks its behavior caused the corrections and it makes for better training.
by Koach on 19 March 2014 - 15:03
Every dog trainer or training critic should read this.
http://www.dogbreedz.com/dog_articles/dogarticle/dog_neck_spine.htm
http://www.dogbreedz.com/dog_articles/dogarticle/dog_neck_spine.htm
by HighDesertGSD on 19 March 2014 - 17:03
So the stigma of prongs notwithstanding, the pronged type is actually safer with a considerate handler as the dog feels the tightening sooner and is spred around the whole neck?
by GSDNewbie on 19 March 2014 - 18:03
As any tool, misued can be an issue. With proper use, sizing, and placement and using proper handling technique, no. However I do prefer training with a prong and then using a choke collar for everyday walking afterwards. I do use either a thin snake show choke or leather choke instead of chain type choke collars.
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