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by BroncoK on 23 December 2011 - 04:12
Hi guys,
I need a bit of advice. We brought home our first German Shepherd pup 7 months ago, it's been one of the most funnest and rewarding experiences of my life. We could never go back! I also want to do this the right way, and I don't want to crush my dog. I have read MANY books on training dogs, I have worked with her since coming home, but there are still a few things that are unclear to me.
In Obedience, what is expected from a "Sit, Stay" at nine months. If she gets up, do you correct her and put her back? (I do), are there age appropriate corrections, or are they all the same, yank on the leash and put back, give the command again. Do you not correct and just put back until a certain age?
My biggest question is, what is a correction? Do you only use a yank on the leash for any disgrettion she makes?
Her recall can be horrendous and needs some work, but how do you improve this without treats? Is this something that just builds with time? Or should I just break down and go buy her some treats?
Thanks for the advice guys!
I need a bit of advice. We brought home our first German Shepherd pup 7 months ago, it's been one of the most funnest and rewarding experiences of my life. We could never go back! I also want to do this the right way, and I don't want to crush my dog. I have read MANY books on training dogs, I have worked with her since coming home, but there are still a few things that are unclear to me.
In Obedience, what is expected from a "Sit, Stay" at nine months. If she gets up, do you correct her and put her back? (I do), are there age appropriate corrections, or are they all the same, yank on the leash and put back, give the command again. Do you not correct and just put back until a certain age?
My biggest question is, what is a correction? Do you only use a yank on the leash for any disgrettion she makes?
Her recall can be horrendous and needs some work, but how do you improve this without treats? Is this something that just builds with time? Or should I just break down and go buy her some treats?
Thanks for the advice guys!
by BroncoK on 23 December 2011 - 04:12
Can I just add that I know that she is a pup, and maturing takes time, but I was just curious, because I don't want to expect something from her that she isn't capable of, but I also want to know what she IS capable of. She can be pretty cheeky at times, like my toddler. So...there.
by Detroit SchH on 23 December 2011 - 21:12
If she breaks the "stay" then it was too long.
It is your responsibilty to make the dog successful.
If she breaks, use a verbal marker for negative behavior (no, ahh ahh, or whatever you like) and
put the dog back where she started.
If you are not using treats or some reward, then her only reason to stay is to avoid the correction,
which does not make training very fun for a pup.
For the recall, same thing, if there is no treat or other reward, the only reason to Come every time
would be to avoid the correction. So if she is not on a line there would be low incentive to come.
Break down and buy some treats or start using a ball as a reward. Do not give your recall command
if you can not enforce it, for dozens and dozens (hundreds) of repetitions.
It is your responsibilty to make the dog successful.
If she breaks, use a verbal marker for negative behavior (no, ahh ahh, or whatever you like) and
put the dog back where she started.
If you are not using treats or some reward, then her only reason to stay is to avoid the correction,
which does not make training very fun for a pup.
For the recall, same thing, if there is no treat or other reward, the only reason to Come every time
would be to avoid the correction. So if she is not on a line there would be low incentive to come.
Break down and buy some treats or start using a ball as a reward. Do not give your recall command
if you can not enforce it, for dozens and dozens (hundreds) of repetitions.
by BroncoK on 23 December 2011 - 22:12
Detroit!
THANK YOU!! I think you are on to something. My breeder said to train and not use treats, (I don't always know what I am doing) and I have seen so many trainers use treats that I just felt a little lost as to why not to use them, but you communicated this in such a way the light went off in my head!!
She obeys so not to get a correction = no fun at all.
This actually makes me a little sad (but I'm thankful for my forgiving dog), but I think I'm going to go get those treats! Poor girl, we have to learn everything together and she has been so forgiving.
THANK YOU!! I think you are on to something. My breeder said to train and not use treats, (I don't always know what I am doing) and I have seen so many trainers use treats that I just felt a little lost as to why not to use them, but you communicated this in such a way the light went off in my head!!
She obeys so not to get a correction = no fun at all.
This actually makes me a little sad (but I'm thankful for my forgiving dog), but I think I'm going to go get those treats! Poor girl, we have to learn everything together and she has been so forgiving.
by muttlover25 on 24 December 2011 - 03:12
Definately agree to use food/praise/toys for rewards. We usually tell clients you work for pay right? Well whats your dog working for? We usually use food in the beginning helping the dog learn new behaviors then switch to toy etc. Make it fun and rewarding for the dog to come to you. As for the stay start slowly 10-15 seconds and work your way up, add distractions slowly and work from there. At 9 months our dogs usually can do a 1 minutes sit/stay with moderate distractions. Have fun training!
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