E-Collar Training - Page 1

At what age should you start with a e-collar on  a German shepherd?

When he or she can proficiently do everything on leash. I highly advise you to find a trainer who can teach you the ins and outs of using a e.collar correctly

That's an absolutely GREAT answer "Mal07"...Probably the best answer I've ever seen...

The e-collar is a great tool...but like so many tools you have to learn how to use them and use the properly or you can harm your dog...Such as the Prong Collar...Another great tool but you must have a little instruction before venturing out and using one on your own...

Just like many other tools the e-collar can be used in many ways...Everyone has their own way of using them...But I think everyone will agree that a little assistance in learning the best ways to use them and use them correctly goes a long ways...

~Bob~

This question is being asked as if this is something that has to be done as in "at what age should my dog start cocking his leg?"  Simple answer is why do you need to use an e collar to train a dog?  The only answer I can see as acceptable is if it is a last resort before destroying the dog due to behaviourable problems. 
Sorry for blunt answer but in my opinion use of this to force a dog to do something just shows a failure in the trainer and an unwillingness to invest time and patience to get a dog wanting to work with you rather than a dog forced to work for you.  Imagine your reaction if you had got electrocuted at school everytime you got a question wrong, sure as hell you wouldn't look forward to being in class.

Again my opinion

MOD NOTE:
If your intention is to object to the use of any form of aversive/correction/negative reinforcer in dog training, I ask that you please start a new thread for that topic.

Why do you think you need an e-collar?

Spam

I agree with your initial analogy of this thread. However,
 
If used correctly and fairly, an e-collar is no different than a leash or choke chain or Prong/pinch collar.
 
The operative words being correctly and fairly.
 
All dogs (like people) are individuals, what works with one dog may not work with another.
 
People and animals all require some type of motivation;
 
-Praise
 
-Food
 
-Toy
 
-Compulsion
 
 
 
While I will not comment on the correct use of an e-collar I will say that it is a valuable tool to have if and when it’s use is required.
 
The biggest problem is that anyone can go to Pets Smart and ask for advice and be handed a pinch collar (or e-collar etc) by some well meaning teenager. And then use it on their dog without any knowledge or instruction of it’s proper use.
 
 
And, In my opinion, providing advice on any forum regarding the use of e-collars/prong/pinch collars is irresponsible and negligent.
 

JMO


Kim
 

Thanks Malo7 ,Oman ,and Spam  but i was thinking of "off leash and went i play ball with him he somtimes doesn't bring it back to me he is a little hard head . He have alots of drive for the ball but with that said  he does out went told too. 

Donfernan,
Use two balls and he will return for the second one.  That is an easy way to increase drive and teach a super fast recall. 

Spam,

"Simple answer is why do you need to use an e collar to train a dog? The only answer I can see as acceptable is if it is a last resort before destroying the dog due to behaviourable problems." 

That is exactly how you do not use an ecollar.   Thinking that an ecollar is a tool of last resort really bothers me.  People who feel that way should absolutely never use one; as they do not understand the intricacies of the tool.  If you are at the stage of "last resort" before using a tool that someone has no experience with go back and start from the beginning.  Funny, how I use an ecollar an other tools every day and never needed a "last resort " measure ever.
 

Thanks Slamdune , I'll try that next time I will let you know how it went.

Hi donfeman,
if you have difficulties to make the dog bringing back a toy to you then I would not suggest the use of any compulsive training, as you clearly
do not understand yet how a dog is ticking. Try first to learn more about dogs and understand their behaviour.
Slamdunc gave you already a good advice.
All the best
Ulf