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by Shtal on 28 April 2011 - 09:04
Carbon dating assumptions needed to be pointed out.
They say well - we know carbon decays in certain rate and so we know it’s only half as much it’s half as old. (There is an assumption that messes up everything), I show how it works.
If I say we going to fill a barrel with water, so I gave a hose to fill barrel with water, but what you don’t know is I have drill holes in the barrel. While you are putting in – the water is leaking out, well - kind the like your checkbook - you know, you keep putting in and its keep leaking out someplace: right!
Well, the earth’s atmosphere – its kind the like this barrel. It’s always getting brand knew carbon14, 21 pounds every year being put in and is always leaking out through decay. So the question would be how long it would take to reach a stage called Equilibrium. Now with the barrel you can actually do the math and calculate – if I’m going to put in certain amount of water per minute and certain amount per minute leaks out. When would I reach Equilibrium? That’s all can be calculated – with little bit of math. And with atmosphere when will it reach Equilibrium. So the guys, - who invented carbon dating in the late 1940’s. Said - they wonder earth atmosphere reaching Equilibrium, they did a bunch of study on that (This subject). They said if we took a brand new planet earth, created from scratch; got it going around the sun and how long would it take to reach Equilibrium point in the atmosphere. Where production rate and destruction rate is the same. And they determine it would take about thirty thousand years to reach Equilibrium; I’ m NOT sure how they did all that calculation. You can probably see some rate scientists to figure that out.
Did you know that they discover that the earth still did not reach Equilibrium….
Radiocarbon is still forming 30 - 40% faster that it is decaying. “NOW THINK ABOUT THAT”
If Radiocarbon is still forming faster than it’s decaying - that means the earth is less then thirty thousand years old – that is Number1 and Number2 – you can’t carbon date anything. Because you would have to know when it lived – so that you could calculated when it lived. You would have to already know when it lived to fear how much carbon14 it was breathing at that time. “Doesn’t work”
Suppose you walked into the room and I said – I want you to tell me, here is candle burning on the table, when it was lit?
You find out it was 7 inches tall; well, that won’t tell me anything. Now we have to measure how fast it’s burning, we measure a candle for a while, we get Olympic stop watch and we get do to nearest 40 bazillion of the second, okay! And we all agree candle burning 1 inch per hour.
Here are two facts, seven inches tall and burning one inch per hour - but when it was lit?
Nobody could figure that out!!! Unless you make some assumptions,
Assumption number one – how tall was the candle and assumption number two has it always burned at the same rate, neither of those could be known. If you find a fossil in the dirt, the amount of carbon could be measured, the rate of decay can be determent; I don’t argue either of those. How much was in when it lived – I don’t know, has it always decay at the same rate – I don’t know, has it being contaminated, sitting in the ground for all this years, there is no way to know all this things.
(Carbon dating has a flaw to determine the age)
They say well - we know carbon decays in certain rate and so we know it’s only half as much it’s half as old. (There is an assumption that messes up everything), I show how it works.
If I say we going to fill a barrel with water, so I gave a hose to fill barrel with water, but what you don’t know is I have drill holes in the barrel. While you are putting in – the water is leaking out, well - kind the like your checkbook - you know, you keep putting in and its keep leaking out someplace: right!
Well, the earth’s atmosphere – its kind the like this barrel. It’s always getting brand knew carbon14, 21 pounds every year being put in and is always leaking out through decay. So the question would be how long it would take to reach a stage called Equilibrium. Now with the barrel you can actually do the math and calculate – if I’m going to put in certain amount of water per minute and certain amount per minute leaks out. When would I reach Equilibrium? That’s all can be calculated – with little bit of math. And with atmosphere when will it reach Equilibrium. So the guys, - who invented carbon dating in the late 1940’s. Said - they wonder earth atmosphere reaching Equilibrium, they did a bunch of study on that (This subject). They said if we took a brand new planet earth, created from scratch; got it going around the sun and how long would it take to reach Equilibrium point in the atmosphere. Where production rate and destruction rate is the same. And they determine it would take about thirty thousand years to reach Equilibrium; I’ m NOT sure how they did all that calculation. You can probably see some rate scientists to figure that out.
Did you know that they discover that the earth still did not reach Equilibrium….
Radiocarbon is still forming 30 - 40% faster that it is decaying. “NOW THINK ABOUT THAT”
If Radiocarbon is still forming faster than it’s decaying - that means the earth is less then thirty thousand years old – that is Number1 and Number2 – you can’t carbon date anything. Because you would have to know when it lived – so that you could calculated when it lived. You would have to already know when it lived to fear how much carbon14 it was breathing at that time. “Doesn’t work”
Suppose you walked into the room and I said – I want you to tell me, here is candle burning on the table, when it was lit?
You find out it was 7 inches tall; well, that won’t tell me anything. Now we have to measure how fast it’s burning, we measure a candle for a while, we get Olympic stop watch and we get do to nearest 40 bazillion of the second, okay! And we all agree candle burning 1 inch per hour.
Here are two facts, seven inches tall and burning one inch per hour - but when it was lit?
Nobody could figure that out!!! Unless you make some assumptions,
Assumption number one – how tall was the candle and assumption number two has it always burned at the same rate, neither of those could be known. If you find a fossil in the dirt, the amount of carbon could be measured, the rate of decay can be determent; I don’t argue either of those. How much was in when it lived – I don’t know, has it always decay at the same rate – I don’t know, has it being contaminated, sitting in the ground for all this years, there is no way to know all this things.
(Carbon dating has a flaw to determine the age)
by Myracle on 28 April 2011 - 09:04
Radiocarbon dating techniques involve calibration to address just the problems you pose.
by clee27 on 28 April 2011 - 10:04
Wow Shtal, I'm embarrassed to tell you the things I ponder... but I'm pretty sure by my statement you know it isn't carbon dating... Mudwick, it's safe to say radiocarbon dating isn't on the list either, lol.
by beetree on 28 April 2011 - 13:04
Sounds like the beginnings for new online dating services:
I'mAsOldAsDirtCarbon.com or maybe, I'mYourOtherHalfLife.com ?
I'mAsOldAs
by Myracle on 28 April 2011 - 16:04
Now ask Shtal why it's important to his entire worldview that he be able to ignore radiocarbon dating.
by clee27 on 28 April 2011 - 23:04
BT, funny! Mudwick... I'm VERY afraid to ask questions when I don't even understand it, lol!
by Myracle on 28 April 2011 - 23:04
You have to disprove radiocarbon dating if you want to argue that dinosaurs were on earth at the same time as man.
by clee27 on 29 April 2011 - 00:04
I will take your word on the subject.... Does that mean Jurassic Park wasn't real???
by Shtal on 29 April 2011 - 05:04
No matter how "useful" it is, though, the radiocarbon method is still not capable of yielding acurate and reliable results.
If you want it to talk about it, just let me know!
Shtal :)
If you want it to talk about it, just let me know!
Shtal :)
by MAINLYMAX on 30 April 2011 - 16:04
I remember Carbon 14 being accurate up to 14000 years and beyond that
potassium argon was better at dating. But you are right not all years produce the same
beta radiation. And it can be influenced by radio active material entering the atmosphere
of the earth. It could give the appearance of adding thousand may be millions years to
the earths crust.
The Bible tells us that God created man.....and that Lord God created Adam.
This I think was at different times, in that the names implied, God as supreme
Emanator and Lord God as the Angel of God.....But that is my interpretation of
Genesis. I also believe the 6th day God created Man....but maybe many years
later his spirit improved on the original greatly by changing the universe and the world
and creating Adam through the Lord God his messenger.
Remember God told Noah about the flood and Lord God added to Noah's
instructions.
The angels transcribe Gods word and delivers it to the world. Like
RNA does with DNA to form polypeptides that form proteins that form creatures
and humans.
What happens in heaven, happens on earth....but incarnate
The Chaos theory says that no matter how remote or out of place something is,
there is a connection to the cosmos. This is also echoed in Einstein's theory of
The unified field.
Foot note ..when you are asleep your brain is 40 times more powerful.
When you are relaxed you are 3x smarter. so relax and think good thoughts.
My beliefs are not going to make me popular at church...But that is what I truly believe.
And there is a great body of evidence to support my belief as well...
Jesus was the Messiah. His life and death chronicled the change in humans and saved us.
By way of God acting directly without any intermediary (Angel). He took it upon himself
to use a human Messenger or messiah as God incarnate ( flesh).
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