Orlando Shooting - Page 8

I am less than impressed with FBI competence these days, too.

I really can't accept Omar only wanted "to be loved and embraced" when his actions prove he was a sex addicted fiend. If he was actually gay or bi, he still was an adulterer, or only used women to hide his secret sex activities. True love is not to be found on gay hook-up apps. That is a no brainier!

I think the terrorist supporter he claimed to be was for his father's benefit. I don't think he cared much about the world, just his miserable self. If he contracted AIDS that would make it easier to want to die in the act of revenge.

Noor being in special Ed with a learning disability should not be automatically used to determine her mental capacity. She would also know right from wrong. Sounds like she was kept isolated and easily influenced by Omar and his father because of her sweet and unsuspicious nature.

I am not using it as such. But when Joan tries to say she was allowed to escape is beyond stupid. She is in hiding, I can't really say I blame her for hiding, she has a lawyer and if the government wants her the lawyer I am sure knows where she is at. I think Joan is a little confused about saying that the bin laden family escaped after a different ISIS attack. His family was allowed to leave the US after 9-11 and somehow in her twisted mind that was Obamas fault. SMH.

Bee, this might give you a little different perspective from msm version.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/06/22/yazidi-survivor-warns-islamic-state-will-repeat-orlando/

I predict there will be more mass shooting and some of them will be whacks with AR-15 type weapons and some will be terrorist related. I have a crystal ball and tea leaves. Christians don't like gays does that mean they will be next to arm themselves and shoot gays? Oh sorry already has happened over and over. This is looking less and less likely not an Islamic terrorist action and more and more like a nut job who lost it because he slept with a Latino who had HIV. Think about this he pledged support for differing Islamic terror groups that do not like each other. Yes, Islamic extremists do not like gays, true, but that does not prove a thing in this case and is as always a deflection by the pro-gun people. You folks have used every deflection know to deflect the actual problem. You say mental illness but you support politicians who will not address the fact that any mentally ill person can walk into any gun shop and buy an AR-15 type weapon. You have blamed it on psychotropic drugs yet you do nothing to ensure those people on these drugs can't buy weapons. I believe you even at one point blamed it on violent video games but yet you do nothing to stop it your answers are always more guns because more guns mean less deaths. Unbelievable.

@GSD I often will share your frustration with Joan's POV. We both have known her, (and each other) long enough to know some... personal quirks, including lifestyles and ideology. Rarely do these conversations change some of the more entrenched views. I can tolerate some better than others, even while being opposed in my own views.

@Joan,

I think I have a good understanding between the Shiite, Sunni and Wahhabism that makes lumping all Muslims in the same basket, incorrect and difficult to understand for many people. The differences are based in the interpretation of the Haddith's and who is the legitimate lineage to follow after the death of Muhammed.

As always, the fundamentalists of any religion are the one's bent on control and bloodshed. The statements of Yazidi, the survivor, are consistent with having to endure a fundamental islamist view, and her prediction shows her reflections, having been a victim of terror. It isn't a real skill by her of clairvoyance or insight then, to predict another mass shooting, that will be terrorist (ISIS) motivated. Or, for me to predict there will be another mass murder by another sick or evil individual reacting to the demons in their own mind. The end remains the same, though-- if they pick up an AR-15 with high capacity ammo and start pulling the trigger, on and on and on.

LOL closet gay? HAHA. Sounds like someone is trying really hard to show that shooting was not motivated by Islam. Well in any case they are trying in vain. Because even if he was gay I still mainatain that the shame of a muslim made him do it. He claimed during 911 call that he is Muslim and does all that in name of Allah who is great and beneficial..... According to Quran the only way gay could be cleared in eyes of God is death. So we got death. So what is your point?

 

Hadith and Sira Abu Dawud (4462) - The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.".

 

Abu Dawud (4448) - "If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death." (Note the implicit approval of sodomizing one's wife).

  

Sunan 1:152 - [Muhammad said] "Whoever is found conducting himself in the manner of the people of Lot, kill the doer and the receiver." Reliance of the Traveller, p17.2 - "May Allah curse him who does what Lot's people did." This is also repeated in three other places.
 

In 2016, an educated imam in Tunisia explained that while it may seem harsh, there is not ambiguity about this in Islam:

God is very straightforward about this — not we Muslims, not subjective, the Sharia is very clear about it, the punishment for homosexuality, bestiality or anything like that is death. We don’t make any excuses about that, it’s not our law — it's the Quran

 

This former NAVY SEAL said is nicely: 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vXb88lAz4

The joke here is you.

When a gay muszlim kills a gay man, he immediately becomes muzslim again....double gold star if the jihadist becomes a martyr in the process. And killing so many, plus wounding fifty more...that makes the jihadi terrist held in the highest esteem by the other jihadi supporting muzslims.

BTW, the San bernardino islamic terrists were given highest honored muszlim burrialby american muzslim brotherhood....the terrists did the brotherhood proud.

Joan, were do you get this stuff? That is fundamentalist cultish speak. I am sure my Muslim neighbors, or even Ibrahim would deny such rubbish. He knows better than to bother coming to OT, most likely. He was voted the most polite person on PDB once, were you here to remember that?

Double gold star! Almost as bad as Shtals golden crown awaiting him for capturing souls!

I don't trust any of your assertions. I would have to fact check them, and I don't have the time right now. There is usually a meager grain of truth all mucked up with a bunch of garbage in some of the more preposterous assertions.

:)