Impossible Choices - Page 8

You are right but it was put together by Bush. And the majority of republicans supported it. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. The bill passed the Senate on November 20, 1993, 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats.

All I can say is wow. You are giving more reason for him to not be president but you keep trying to justify it. I am not at this point supporting Hillary but I will if it comes down to her or Trump.

Now, first off, I am not justifying Trump for President, I have yet to say anything like that. Your Salon article is trying to discredit all Republican's because of Trump's unprecedented success at the polls. The old guard Republican party is trying hard to shake the deer in the headlights immobility they have been reduced to, but not for the reason's the Salon article is blathering about.

Supposedly, opening up to a global market forced big business to make the changes from the US workers who were employed by our manufacturers, expense, because the market place demanded them remain profitable. We expected other countries to give USA and our products an equal footing and we would all be competing fairly! The idea was that the whole world would be better off. Except the didn't happen. Especially when a country like China, has no problem undercutting their workforce as a tradeoff, abusing their ecology all for eventually putting the competition (USA) out of business. This goes along with their concept of time, and their patience to reach their national goals. Oops! Now look where we are!

I agree with you, that companies seeking the cheapest labor don't always get the quality needed. That is why in any bidding contest for jobs, it is never recommended to take the lowest bid! I am glad your company was able to survive such an error, and learned from it. It was a bad business decision not based on due diligence. You can't just give the copt out answer, they were being greedy, when really they were being foolish. Just suppose the Mexican workers were actually better and cheaper? Then what? Maybe the company would be expanding and seeking to hire more US workers to start up the next business. You would have been a high priced consultant, then!
 

Beetree raises some salient points regarding Trump's off-the-cuff comments as well Clinton's complete lack of resume and accomplishment. The former however serves to highlight a critical liability to a U.S. political process while doing well in addressing VK's inquiry into what makes it "tick" over here. Many of the comments in this thread read like CNN/FOX/HuffPost infused tabloid fodder, revealing much about the way campaigns are run and political strategists fight for ground. Do we really believe Trump is racist? That he's going to build the Great Wall of Mexico? That he's going to shut down the internet? SMH. These paranoid and reactionary responses are the product of today's "journalism". At least back in the days of the dawn of the yellow press a journalist needed a modicum of intelligence whereas the current rule finds contributors as vacuous as they are predictable. There will be no wall and the internet and 1st Amendment protections aren't going anywhere any more than Obama was able to grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens without being shut down by scotus. Additionally, the accusations of “racism” should be recognized within the context of the overall strategy, whereby Americans have been treated to a media driven “race war” for the last couple of years in anticipation of the black vote. If one were to take a reasonable approach to the Trump interview it would be obvious that what you’re dealing with isn’t a bigot as much as it is a non-professional politician trying to navigate a tedious war of words. If we’re going to chide Trump for not responding well to being put on the spot regarding David Duke then perhaps we ought to crucify Mrs. Clinton for her long-time friendship, support, and affinity for Senator Byrd. Of course, the flip side finds FOX fueling fears that 2nd Amendment rights are in peril in order to cement conservative turnout as well as an anti-Trump effort on par with any liberal television outlet. Though I am in agreement with the conservative pundits who suggest there is little “conservative” about Donald Trump, it’s interesting that he has arguably commanded more negative press than all other candidates combined. My immediate thought is that it is partly because he continues to thumb his abrasive New Yorker nose at the media conglomerate, but more importantly at the RNC and DNC who seem to believe that they alone own our process.
Given a choice, I could not in good conscience elect a person I consider an amoral megalomaniac whose natural habitat is an ideological vacuum. I also suspect the truth is that the actual policy of these two is much closer than most believe, being socially liberal and economically conservative. The darker truth is that we inhabit a climate currently without a party who represents the people. Don’t kid yourselves –these aren’t your grandparents’ progressives, which would explain why for example Obama would turn on his own constituency as W. Clinton did before him in signing the TPP agreement in textbook “GOP move”. What’s left? As near as I can tell, a sharp, greedy, abrasive guy willing to call an asshat an asshat on either side of the aisle or behind the host desk, or an aging DNC gimmick who is equally narcissistic in her own way by insulting the American public in running for office after engaging in criminal behavior far more egregious than what past presidents have been forced to resign over.

Then again, if you follow the talking heads . . .

In related news this week, researchers at Georgia Tech conduct a study which indicates that people are dumb enough to follow a robot guide to their death despite being told of the machine’s malfunctioning.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3039713/robotics/people-trusted-this-robot-in-an-emergency-even-when-it-led-them-astray.html

Bee – I’ve yet to read anything in “Salon” that made any sense at all.

I generally believe what people say and if this was Obama saying these things you guys would be all over it. Lets face it Trump is a racist. Plus he really has problems with woman. The Salon article is not saying these things and is only giving examples of why people who are supporting Trump are wrong in their thinking that somehow the mid to lower class has lost something over the last 50 years but hey when we close our minds to facts - and reguritate non-facts and call facts non-sense well same back to you. Trump is not President material and he will not win. That is the bottom line.

'That he's going to shut down the internet? '

No, nobody I know believes that, and neither does the media. The problem is that he is so stupid as to believe or even suggest that as a solution to ter ror ism....that he said 'some people are going to say freedom of speech!' Calling anyone who would object 'silly people'. If one actually read the article, perhaps they would realize what the issue is. The man's mind is more fit for n Korea than this country.
Besides,if anyone used their intellect, they'd realize the prez can't just cause things to happen because he wants them to...but who would want someone with his lack of intellect to be prez.you think congress gave the current prez a hard time, get this bozo in there and see what happens...nothing.

Saying if Obama was saying these things....just makes no sense as an argument, because it is irrelevant. He doesn't, so we don't need to go there. I don't think Trump is a racist just because he is able to make a distinction that there are indeed different races. I would agree that he probably does have issues with strong women who do not rely on their looks to get by in the world.

I could also say that you are ignoring the facts of how it really came to be that US manufacturing has disappeared and how it has affected the blue collar middle class because it is easier to blame some successful rich guy.

So, then who are you blaming? Some successful rich guys or Clinton??? You can't have it both ways. LMAO. Trump is a racist - pure and simple. lol, there are more bombshells yet to come on Trump.

And you are being a bit unfair because people have blamed Obama for things he didn't even do. So, saying had Obama said these things is relevant.

Trump is a Fascist and what happens to the wealthy in fasism? Something to think about Beetree.

Bee care full what you accept as acceptable.

I am not blaming anyone. I am merely recognizing that there are certain facts and then there are results of making certain choices. It makes sense to be realistic what those are and not resort straight to emotional rhetoric. I think any finger pointing and blame game is very unproductive. I certainly can have a two party system that will check and balance each other. No secret that you (GSD) are loathe to admit to a decent act by any Republican, ever! And yet, it was Lincoln the Republican who freed the slaves!

(And as for my own preference, I am now choosing not to get into the labeling of who is a racist or bigot, or whatever PC propaganda language co-opt direction you like. I find it the most divisive conversation ender, that just leads to anger and recriminations, and ultimately declaring in exclusions. I think I am going on the third time saying this, so we all should pretty much get where I stand, by now.)

You keep bringing up "fascist" as something you believe is possible with a Trump presidency. You really think he can bribe our entire military to help him out with that? How else do you envision that this would happen? Come on, he went to military high school because he probably was the class clown and a discipline problem. LOL I can't see our top brass being too impressed with those credentials.

What else you might be alluding to about Obama— it is too vague for me to guess? Truly, I don't see the point bringing him up. The only relevance I understand regarding Obama—and it relates to Hillary, is she is seen as the one who will continue his policies and that is why she is successful with the black vote.

And if you know some sort of Trump bombshell, please share! I really want to know!

Joan---huh? What am I accepting? I am hoping for a miracle! If I am anything it is that I am a true optimist.

You don't really need for me to point out what has happened to obama. This garbage with the scotus appointment is the latest fiasco. What do you think will happen if drumpf makes it to potus.... The repubs despise drumpf, too.

Accepting trump, if the alternative is hillary. Like I said, the imperfect friend is better than the perfect enemy.
He is on equal with Kim Jon un IMO.