Perfect Gait - Page 2

Thank you John,

I would love to judge one day, but I think I too need to learn a lot more, you are a good person and have a nice heart, that is obvious from your words, thank you so much, we will keep exchanging info

Ibrahim

Thanks so much Ibrahim, I really enjoyed watching that. The dogs seemed lighter chested then, (Less deep & heavy). I still like Dingo's forehand/shoulder better, but, :), Uran was a great and legendary dog as well.

Thank you, Ibrahim!

Nick Wienerau and his grandson Uran have been the reason why I fell in love with the showlines at all.
I owned a Nick son, later on the progeny group of Uran gave me the creeps - happened never again on any show....
Can you imagine a soccer filed totally filled with his offspring, several of them VA rated ( with a goup of their own, too ) and Uran in front of them?
I´ll never forget this day.

My Kali had Uran in her pedigree several times, and Fanto, she had the best work ethic I've ever seen, from a little puppy she lived to please, her expression always said, "What now? What's next?" Her topline, angulation, & gait were impeccable & she had such intelligence it was almost scary; she was, though, overshot; & long in the torso....pasterns could have been firmer. I once exclaimed on this board that I was afraid I would never find another like her. I know now that is true, there will never be another. The virtues those older lines had are lost to us now, traded for prey drive & mastiff like bone & heads. Sad. Thank you Ibrahim, for posting that vivid reminder of my lost love.....jackie harris

I agree Hundmutter to the posting.. I started to post that I was well aware of his faults, like the Liver and blue but I erased it.. I am tired of getting bashed when negative faults get mentioned by us so I let someone else bring it out...YES, even my SteffanHaus , link to Dieter who was a product grandson of Jada v SteffanHaus, where the blue fault lies, but I never had the misfortune of producing one of those with Bear or DIETER..

when Joanro hit the nail on the head in her post on the DNA HD thread , that if we test to ban HD dogs  with DNA showing a trait to produce we will have to delete many of  the dogs in the USA and Germany etc. If you ban one trait for the loss of other good traits , where do we go ?

YES, all the lines we hold dear from older lines did have faults in them, and we know that all the Arminius, and the Wienerau lines were full of them..and so are all created living things.   Uran was used by tons of breeders with tons of females and if URAN was printed on paper , every TOM

Math was my worst subject so I leave study of genetics to someone else...I just ask the pros..like Larry Filo or even Jane Steffanhagen was able to tell me ...leave that one alone...too many markers??markers???   too deep for me..

I never forget the day some breeder told me that one of the dogs in my lines was a nut case and severely crazy...he happens to be in all the west german pedigrees of any dog worth its salt.   Lasso di  Val Sole....and Canto and Ajax v Drexel    so if that is the case I guess Drigon v Fuhrrnannshof BSP INTERNATIONAL SEIGER  and a whole train load of  V  and VA dogs with some of our best drives contributed to  tops dogs in all our pedigrees carry the nutcase gene...lol

My mind cannot fathom how many bad traits all the lines hold but it is up to disclosure and acceptance by us to watch our breedings and try to better the breed consciously..

YR

Only a sidenote: I saw this film years ago, and today I downloaded tor-browser, because otherwise I wouldn´t have been able to watch ( no access out of Germany...). It was a pleasure - a lot of memories!
The woman who came  for breeding is Gerda Wagner, during that time an absolut exception, a female trial judge. She came out of my area, breeding "vom Mühlenbruch".

But thinking about Uran (and his sister VA Ute) is an hommage to Palme, his mother. She is worth a look into the old pedigrees, mother of the Q-litter Arminius, and several well known dogs, too.

Only for the record - Uran didn´t stay in China, he came back - kind of a happy end.

Aww,  YR !   And I so loved what Lasso brought to a pedigree !

I hadn't heard that before, about his being nutz.

I was told that by a german breeder, and others many years ago when I was in a Houston Schutz club and a german judge and those with him went over my pedigrees.

Drexel and Lasso did bring to lots of dogs and so did Canto but we know some facts again that some breedings showed on all those.  BUT I guess Dragon and others in my great dog lines I bred , with the BuseckerSchloss lines, and many of them back to Frei v d gugge and many many many V and VA dogs, working top showlines back then, must have all been nutz also...

A lot of people said the toughest German dogs were nutz like Frei..I know many of his sons had a come to Jesus Meeting with the  handlers , and we do not see much of that today..I reminded on a thread of  Reinhard Lindner from Germany what his motto was ." if it wasn't hard he didn't breed it or want it"

You can google his name and read about it..Gene England took many a lesson from him and I believe Gene England is the AMERICAN  version of Reinhard Lindner..

Funny thing is Hundmutter, so many of us have already been labeled same as our dogs sometimes...NUTZ....

Susie:  So true about the Palme mother of all mothers, as V1 Vedor vom Fourniermuhlenbach, was the product of VA Mark v Haus Beck bred out of V Quina v Arminius(Quando)sister and Va Fedor v Arminus and of course, Orla V Fourniermuhlenbach. , who also was a female known for producing many highly rated V dogs ie Ranni V Fourniermuhlenabach.

I had the opportunity to breed my Zu to Vedor , here in Texas, at Sunrise Kennels, many years back..Saw the boy work and he was  1992 U.S.A. Vize Sieger  so yes , some of the showlines were worthy of our love.

YR

I was told that Lasso brought extreme courage & discrimination to his progeny..,that he was level headed. But I was also told by a well known trainer that my girl that carried his lines was nuts, & a nervebag....however she didn't act that way unless she didn't trust someone, & she had really good instincts. I learned to trust her. Still don't trust that trainer...

jackie harris

Yes, Jackie, and Lasso sired V Xavier v Arminius who bred to Palme , Urans mom, and produced the Q Arminius litter that the dog I referred to Vedor, came out of.

These weird traits or genes or what ever we describe them just  happen to drop like dominos so thus  "THE LUCK OF THE DRAW" when breeding.'

YR