by duke1965 on 23 May 2019 - 14:05
from one of the German shepherds from my breeding in KNPV , I never had any video, got video of him today after many years LOL
he is a full classic czech line German shepherd, what really made my day was the comment under the video from blackmalinois, thank you for that
by duke1965 on 23 May 2019 - 16:05
this also shows a thinking mistake in KNPV IMO, the last small bite where he shouldnot bite, cost him 25 points, making him a titled without LOF german shepherd
This one small mistake makes the dog worth less and less desirable for buyers, where a shitty dog who isnot going to give that bite can be a "with LOF "dog
this is, like in IPO or IGP today, a clear case why looking at points only is a big mistake
by xPyrotechnic on 23 May 2019 - 17:05
by duke1965 on 23 May 2019 - 18:05
LOF can be translated as "with honours" and if a dog scores over 400 he got that added to his certificate, now the dog in the video, if he didnot give that legbite at the end he would have a KNPV PH1 with LOF 424 points, which would make him more desirable and more expensive, but still would be the same dog
by Centurian on 23 May 2019 - 22:05
I agree with you about your notion of the significance of points. Points does not a dog maketh a dog ! I always felt " points " ,,,, that is so foolish an idea , when it comes to the dogs .. Points are for the egotistical people , want to be better or want to have in their mind better dogs than anyone else. - I don't think any of my 30 + GS in my life ever cared about a point. Nor did and do I . One , two , three points does not make a dog any better than any other dog . Besides , I have biaesd philosophy : what is important to me is how I live real actual day to dayn life with my dog .. and on that note , any of my dogs would perform with exactitude in a trial and similarily in real life. For me trial was merely a day to day occureancde and what occurs day to day my dog is capable to do agaonst any nother in a trial. Day to day life , atrial , do difference - anywhere , anytime and any place . What I expect in real life is also how I expected them to perform at trial - and they did .However I have seen many many many dogs through decades : take them off the field and they are useless. Besides in competition the majority of mistakes originate with the handler , either in the teaching or in the handler's performance. Has nothing one iota to do about nthe dog. When I say IPO is laughable .. many people become so defensive and in doing that , they show me how much lack of understanding they truly have .
One last comment Duke : ' the bite at the end ' - There is more to the dog, than the dog just biting when not should not have that cost him the points. There is more to that bite , than meets the onlooker's eye [ I want people to think about that ] . At this point I shut up ...
by emoryg on 24 May 2019 - 02:05
by duke1965 on 24 May 2019 - 05:05
thanks, Im happy with that litter/dog anyway, as im doing my business and test dogs all over and talk to people, I see more and more people starting to rocognize that problem and see the weakening of the dogs overall as a result of modern sports/points
from KNPV trainers/breeders, to judges and especially law enforcement people see the problem and look for change, but demand from buyers for offspring of the "champions/pointsdogs is influencing the direction of breeding big time and will be hard to change
by Gustav on 24 May 2019 - 10:05
by Centurian on 24 May 2019 - 11:05
Gustav , I intially refrained form discussing this, In prfer not to get into these conversations . However for novices sake : think about what I write .
Gustav , I agree with all you say about the dog, itself .. A most wonderful dog at that .. Duke should be proud and I agree what Duke says about : how looking for points has poorly impacted breeding the GS . However, I disagree with you over the word 'control' .
IMOp , the control is not what I would have in my GSs and IMOp the performance of the dog could be by my standards and expectations , a bit , that is to say , a bit better for what that dogs is. But then again , my standards are very very very high and my expextations of this caliber of working dog are very very very high . Just saying . " I don't care " ... that is what I say literally and figuratively say to my dogs. If I say 'out' , there is no issue , I expect an immediate clean out. If I say 'turn on ' or ' turn off ' I expect an immdeiate clean ' turn on ' or ' turn off '. And when I expect something of my dogs , then nothing less ,or short of that expectation , is accepted by me .. that is just me. I do not accept dirty bites , poor bites , or bites that occur when the dog is not told to do so .. I don't care how good or not so good that dog is ....I take an unwarranted bite ,, seriously . As I wrote there is more here than meets the eye.
BTW , for new people ... If a police officer sends a dog and calls that dog off and that dog bites someone , even the slightest bite that breaks skin , you have a law suit on your hands. And .. hence this reasoningand practice : when we sent a police dog on an offender there was never ever a call off. Three initial warnings to the offender , the dog was sent and everything was fair in love and war . A good number of Canine Officers could not control their dogs - for several reasons for each dog is different . " CONTROL " .. to me this is imperative, the highest expectation we should have whether we interact with a dog in LE , Sport or simply home companionship. If you cannot have the dog demonstrate or actually have control .. IMOp something is amiss , out of sorts . Again , my expectations I keep extraordinarily high .
Side note : maybe .. just maybe that is why , the reasoning , that infraction costs the dog a lot of points , in Sport. Maybe that lack of control with an unwarranted bite is taken eriously in sport too . .. Maybe...
by duke1965 on 24 May 2019 - 12:05
Thanks Gustav, my plan was to use that dog for breeding in a linebreedingprogram, owner said he would not sell, but got offer he couldnot refuse, dog was sold same day as the video was made,
for the main picture, I wanted to breed him to his littersisters daughters