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by malinois on 10 December 2013 - 14:12
What can I do when some-one uses a false fci pedigree with the name of my dog as the sir of the dog?
The pedigree is also here on this database.
The pedigree is also here on this database.
by mrdarcy on 10 December 2013 - 17:12
More info would be helpful, thanks
by ddr gsd on 10 December 2013 - 18:12
Flush him/her out, now that you have pointed them out. You know it's like
a pointer (bird dog), which you've done (without an identity though). They
either fly, scurry away or get _______. Or contact FCI. Which one do you
choose, A, B or C?
a pointer (bird dog), which you've done (without an identity though). They
either fly, scurry away or get _______. Or contact FCI. Which one do you
choose, A, B or C?
by ddr gsd on 10 December 2013 - 18:12
Hey Malinois, welcome by the way. You've been lurking!? I was too.
I finally seen the light.
I finally seen the light.
by malinois on 10 December 2013 - 18:12
The breeder which kennelname have been used don't know this dog. It's also not possible because in France they have a letter of the alphabet each year, the R was in 2000 and this dog is out of 2007
I already contacted the FCI and french kennelclub but it's not easy because I am from the Netherlands. They send you from one country to the other, I already been trying for one year.
And this dog lives in the USA and his owner still breeds with her, I have already contacted him a year ago that the pedigree can't be right, but he still keeps breeding.
I already contacted the FCI and french kennelclub but it's not easy because I am from the Netherlands. They send you from one country to the other, I already been trying for one year.
And this dog lives in the USA and his owner still breeds with her, I have already contacted him a year ago that the pedigree can't be right, but he still keeps breeding.
by ddr gsd on 10 December 2013 - 23:12
You state, "the pedigree is also here on database". Now if I was to
get a Malinois, (and I've looked at a few in USA and abroad) I would
like to know as a consumer if it is an original pedigree. Isn't the ped-
igree one of the first details we look at for potential? DNA analysis
is a powerful tool to use. Does your sire have a fingerprinted DNA?
Is there a possibility of a similar sire name of this Mal? So there
is a 7 year difference? PM me if you don't want to mention it on here.
I'm still open for a Mal puppy IPO prospect.
get a Malinois, (and I've looked at a few in USA and abroad) I would
like to know as a consumer if it is an original pedigree. Isn't the ped-
igree one of the first details we look at for potential? DNA analysis
is a powerful tool to use. Does your sire have a fingerprinted DNA?
Is there a possibility of a similar sire name of this Mal? So there
is a 7 year difference? PM me if you don't want to mention it on here.
I'm still open for a Mal puppy IPO prospect.
by malndobe on 11 December 2013 - 15:12
How did the false FCI pedigree get created in the first place without you signing off on a litter registration? Did someone own the dog prior to you? Or is it that the pedigree being posted online is incorrect when compared to the FCI pedigree? Is is possible the dog on the FCI pedigree has a name very similar to yours, but not the same, and it's just an accident on the pedigree database that they used your dogs name? I have seen entire litters registered with the same name and just a number to differentiate the dogs. A friend had a dog named Vite II de la Chemin l'Esperance His brothers were Vite I de la Chemin l'Esperance, Vite III de la Chemin l'Esperance, Vite IV de la Chemin l'Esperance and Vite V la Chemin l'Esperance. It could be something as simple as that.
If it isn't, then I would go to the registry that registered the litter that is supposedly out of your sire, and start with them. They are the ones who would care that a litter was registered that your dog didn't sire. Once that is dealt with, it will trickle down to any dogs supposedly down from that breeding.
As for the person with the dog in the US, if they aren't the one who falsified the pedigree they are more of a victim than the "criminal". They were probably sold the dog with the papers it has, they may or may not have been told the papers were incorrect in areas, but those are the papers they have to work with for registration. It's not a secret that in working Malinois because of the NVBK and FCI issues there are dogs out there with false papers. Even if they know your dog isn't in the pedigree that doesn't mean they aren't telling puppy buyers what the accurate pedigree is and then just giving them the papers they have.
If it isn't, then I would go to the registry that registered the litter that is supposedly out of your sire, and start with them. They are the ones who would care that a litter was registered that your dog didn't sire. Once that is dealt with, it will trickle down to any dogs supposedly down from that breeding.
As for the person with the dog in the US, if they aren't the one who falsified the pedigree they are more of a victim than the "criminal". They were probably sold the dog with the papers it has, they may or may not have been told the papers were incorrect in areas, but those are the papers they have to work with for registration. It's not a secret that in working Malinois because of the NVBK and FCI issues there are dogs out there with false papers. Even if they know your dog isn't in the pedigree that doesn't mean they aren't telling puppy buyers what the accurate pedigree is and then just giving them the papers they have.
by malinois on 12 December 2013 - 16:12
@ malndobe: My dog has be born with me, it's my other dogs son. ;-) so I am 100% sure that he has never mated her.
The pedigree must be fals because of the character R. in 2007. Every year a litter in France has to begin with a character. In 2000 it was the R. But this female is out of 2007 and begins with R. So that is not possible in France.
The breeder which is breeding in France with this kennelname does also not know the name of the dog.
Important is that the FCI pedigrees in France are only paper, non-plasticized so it's not so difficult to falsify it.
There has been a R. litter in 2000 with this breeder but with a very different father.
I know that a lot of pedigrees with malinois are not right, but when I can prove to some-one that the pedigree is nog right, when it was me which happend it, I wouldnt breed with her. And he said that he had spayed her last year because of this, but now he again has puppys from her. So I don't believe him anymore. Also because of that in 2012 he wrote he bought the dog out of Mexico and with this litter she was bought from Czech....
When you want to know which dog it's about, I can send you a pm.
The pedigree must be fals because of the character R. in 2007. Every year a litter in France has to begin with a character. In 2000 it was the R. But this female is out of 2007 and begins with R. So that is not possible in France.
The breeder which is breeding in France with this kennelname does also not know the name of the dog.
Important is that the FCI pedigrees in France are only paper, non-plasticized so it's not so difficult to falsify it.
There has been a R. litter in 2000 with this breeder but with a very different father.
I know that a lot of pedigrees with malinois are not right, but when I can prove to some-one that the pedigree is nog right, when it was me which happend it, I wouldnt breed with her. And he said that he had spayed her last year because of this, but now he again has puppys from her. So I don't believe him anymore. Also because of that in 2012 he wrote he bought the dog out of Mexico and with this litter she was bought from Czech....
When you want to know which dog it's about, I can send you a pm.
by malndobe on 13 December 2013 - 01:12
Was the litter born in France, or in another country and someone is using the kennel name of a person in France? I have seen that happen here in the US, someone has a litter of pups but puts des Deux Pottios, Chemin des Plaines, etc on the dogs when they are registered. Will France even allow a dog to be registered with a name that doesn't start with the correct letter?
Whatever country the litter was born in, that would be the country to complain about the pedigree.
Whatever country the litter was born in, that would be the country to complain about the pedigree.
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