Breeding question please help - Page 1

hey
 I was wondering if it was possible to breed a  belgian melinois with a Dutch shepherd can they be Akc Registerd or if they come out more dutch do i register em under a dutch shepherd or belgian melinois if they come out more like a belgian malinois please help thank you.

Well I believe the malinois and the dutch shepherd are too different breeds. So no matter what they come out looking more like they will be a mix. AKC only registers purebred dogs. But I'm no expert... Maybe someone else will now better

Dutchies are not recognized by the AKC - so even a dutchie to dutchie breeding would not be registerable.

First answer. Yes, both the Belgian Malinois and Dutch  Shepherd are members of the canine family and they are most certainly capable of breeding and producing offspring, as long as they are both sound reproductively.

Can they be registered with the AKC? No. The AKC at this time only registers offspring from the mating of two registered parents of the same breed PROVIDING neither of the parents is LIMITED registration. Does not matter if the offspring looks more BM, Dutch, or is striped like a zebra. The registration numbers of the parents will identify them as of different breeds.

You MAY be able to register the offspring of such a mating with the CKC, as in Continental Kennel Club. That registry does accept mixed breeds, however I do not know what stipulations (if any) would apply.

Please note: The AKC, CKC (as in CANADIAN Kennel Club), and most foreign Registries WILL NOT recognize the offspring of such a breeding. The offspring also WILL NOT be able to compete at AKC sanctioned events.

IF you do breed and are able to register with the Continental Kennel Club, you owe it to your customers to specify which CKC you are registered with. The AKC and CANADIAN Kennel Club are 'sister' organizations and recognize breedings/registrations from each other. It would be unfair to merely state that the offspring are CKC registered and allow the purchaser to think they have a purebred.


Hope this helps.
Sue

Dont do it  you will not sell them and most of them will end up in foster shelter etc..dont do any breeding without health guarantee hips elbows etc..and titles and also if you've never done it and dont know what your doing

Mal/dutch mixes are common in working dogs. No they can't be registered through AKC. However if you are not familiar with the breeds, I would not reccommend breeding at all.

I am not an expert on this topic, however I have asked a similar question to Mike Suttle (Logan Haus).  Correct me if I am wrong, he mixes the two on ocassion to produce good quality and sometimes agressive offspring.  He mentioned that KNPV dogs are often not papered are breed only for working ability.  The offspring are labeled dutch or mali based on their coat.  He also mentioned that much of what he produces is not paperable
I have also spoken to other breeders that consider these dogs as mixed breed mutts.  And they frown on such practices.  I hear that Americans in general would rather have a papered dog, where other geographical areas are more concerened with the working quality and may view that paper issue as something that would compromise the working quality.  for example when AKC places more emphasis on other qualities other than workability.   

BTW if you look at some of the dutch and mali pedigrees sometimes you will see pictures of the dogs where it is very plainly obviously the two breeds were mixed, and you can see how they turn out by the picture.  Mike mentioned that in such a litter that they can produce both coat types in the same breeding. 

You are correct. look at dutch shepherd lines, they are basically striped mals. I have seen lots of great mixed. I would rather not have a papered dog, I would rather see how the dog works than what parents it came from. Now some lines produce some traits, etc, but most of the working dogs I have seen and worked with are not AKC registered dogs. They are bred on their working ability not coat color or height.

you can have health tested dogs that are not registered. Getting my dutch OFA certified, and may be bred to a mal. Still debating between a few dutch mals right now.