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the people in my country bangladesh are really testing my limits... let me start off by saying that i am a "responsible" breeder in Bangladesh. I have in vested a lot of TIME and MONEY into this endeavour...i am not here to do business.. I love GSDs and am desperately trying to develop the breed here with every possible resource at my disposal.. Now coming to the main problem.. I mam sure every11 here is aware of of how expensive breeding responsibly is.. the main problem of the people here are that they are absolutely ignorant about what A GSD or any dog for that matter really means..they just go off to the local pet market and but any tom dick and harry that the seller claim is a german shepherd dog...they ususally buy 2 a brother ansd sister and they end up with puppie that end up back at the pet market and the whole cycle repeats itself... thsi leads to really poor quality GSDs... The main problem is this and the fact that te pet markt is is flooded with substandard puppies from india ( indians no offence) this has made work for people like me who do want to do something for the breed here.. As a strict rule I never sell brother and sister togetehr no matter how much money they offer and try my level best to convince the new owners not breed arbitrarily...but most people do just for having free pups to sell offa nd give to friends... On my part I have to go to extreme lenghts to get quality studs and maintain my bitches...to keep the numbers down I only breed 1 litter a year from one bitch....I know i have to face finacial losses but I am happy to do so just cos I love breeding...trying to make my type...( I like the erasmus type cos i dont like overangulated top lines) But due to these im getting really down and frustrated.. I know u all r prbly getting bored by thsi but I need ome solid advise regarding how to cope with this situation... I know that true GSD lovers in India have faced or r still facing similar problems...but how to overcome it... Fida

Fida, Hats off to you. Perhaps you can align yourself with good breeders in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh and start forming a breeder's alliance. I also have heard that in Pakistan there is someone with vision and some finances to back the vision. He is in the position of importing some fine breeding stock from Germany. Good Luck to you! And please don't be frustrated. Sunny

Fida the problem you are mentioning is not just happening in your country. Even in Germany people go buy purebred GSD pups, even pink papered pups, then do their home brew breeding. They then advertise the resulting pups as "parents of dam and/or sire have pink papers", and ask as little as 150 bucks or so. Often these pups are placed without having been vaccinated or while they are still too young, 5-6 weeks not being uncommon. Some of the home brew breeders are even so bold and ask the same as registered pups would cost. They always find someone dumb enough to buy into it... And I see the same happening in North America. German line pups for pennies, etc. The German lines are often several generations back. Overall far more pups are produced without papers than registered pups. I am talking pure bred here, never mind the mixes that you have to add on top of that. That is all part of breeding dogs, but not really something you can do much about, nor should it affect your breeding program. It is very simple really - the people that breed papered GSD, ideally from Germany, and after SV rules or as close to it as possible sell the real thing. The rest sells "counterfeit". Just as you can buy a watch that bears the name Rolex on the street for a fraction of the real cost, it will never be a "Rolex" **JUST** because it says so on the watchface. For some people that does not matter. They just want to feel what it would be like. Those who own the real thing, the real Rolex, do not feel cheated or much less threatened because some poor schmuck wears a piece of tin on his wrist that bears a big name. You should focus on the positive, forget about the rest. You are in a very uniquie position many can only dream to find themselves in. It appears that you are one of the first on your contry to breed German line GSD. You could in fact become one of the founders of the breed in your country. A great and rare opportunity indeed. If you want to be successful that also comes with a lot of responsibility. Any success always involves a great deal of effort, some heart ache, lots of persistence and patience, etc. You cannot make all GSDs in your country the ideal representative of the breed. That does not even happen within the purebred population, not even in Germany. You can only focus on your own efforts and leave others to their own. Your frustration is unproductive, a waste of your energy. Channel that energy into something more productive instead. It will be much more rewarding. :o)

where did you learn English? It sounds like you have spent a good deal of time in the US, yes?

Great going Fida - and you are getting excellent advice from all the above posts. Can't you make use of the dogs in North and Eastern India at reasonable cost? How about Pakistan? If I can throw in a word of caution - start small . There might not be enough good buyers around if you have too many good pups. If your local kennel club allows it, try co-owning your best pups . That way, you can get to make more informed decisions and need not keep all dogs yourself for your breeding programs. If you can, parallely start schutzhund work too . It will be easier to introduce GSD as a "total package" in your country as against introducing the working part at a later stage, and then overcoming the resistance.

Hi you all! Fida, Howdedo is just about a genius. I was thinking Fida, in your country you have many natural catastrophes. At least that is when we see Bangladesh on the news. Why not start a small brigade of Search and Rescue dogs in your own country? This will certainly put a limelight on the value of a well bred dog. And you will most likely receive alot of help from around the world. Sounds so idealistic. But if you need websites, let me know. The dogs don't have to be Schutzhund trained. How many dogs are needed to uncover people from the ravages of landslides and the like? You will most likely on top be able to get alot of live footage from rescue operations for the press. Lot's of luck to you in Bangladesh. Which city are you from? Sunny

Sunshine, you made my day )::

Let me just say thank u to all fo u for sucjh wonderful support... One important thing to note is that yes my country is a poor cuntry that is only on the news when we havve a flood or typhoon...but ull be surprised to see the cars on the street and say jees how cn this be a poor country...its a polarised country with all the wealth in the hands of less than 5% of the population. Add to that the dogs inferior position from a religious point of view ( very surprising cos we r th most moderate countryt in South asia but with a stigman on dogs but most ppl lovedogs.) YEs howdeo I have started on a very samll scale 2 bithes with a toltal of 2 litters in a year... problem is like i said the availability of good dogs. Unfortunately im not the father of the GSd here becuae that title has been taken by another man ...who has worked for the past 40 yrs to dvelp the GSd but the problem there is that he bred for financual benfit only and did not try to spread tghe bred in our country.. in terms of organised kennel yes ?I am a first.. But come as they may i am determined specially after such a lot of encouragemnt that I will stand resolute... im currently trying to incoporate dogs with security services and it is in the proces.. but like alwasy costs become a fractor..hopefully i will be able to over come it... In reallytiy i have yet a lotttttttttt to learn.. Can u get appentice ships in any f the kennels in germany if so what is the procedure..cos if im gonna do somthguin its best ot do it rght. To answer another query Im from Dahak the capital city and no Ive never been to the US or out of the country for that matter..im still in college and trying to do breeding on the side.. Thanx for all the posts and hats off to all of u and Howdeo hwho has helped me before.. Hope we can all learn from each other in the futurte and have good friendships.. RGDS Fida

by the way does anyone know how to get in touch iwth the GSd club in Pakistan...ive ssen pics of a wonderfull gog there but forgot its name.. As far as help goes i dunno how much help i can expect from them since we used to East Pakistan juts 30 yrs back and fought them to get our independence.. What organizxations can and will help me do u think?

Bravo D.H., nicely said!