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by SitasMom on 07 June 2009 - 03:06
The discussion, in a 90-minute meeting in the Cabinet Room that included Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and other top administration officials, came on the eve of a much-anticipated speech Mr. Obama is to give Thursday on a number of thorny national security matters, including his promise to close the detention center at the naval base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
Human rights advocates are growing deeply uneasy with Mr. Obama’s stance on these issues, especially his recent move to block the release of photographs showing abuse of detainees, and his announcement that he is willing to try terrorism suspects in military commissions — a concept he criticized bitterly as a presidential candidate.
The two participants, outsiders who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the session was intended to be off the record, said they left the meeting dismayed.
They said Mr. Obama told them he was thinking about “the long game” — how to establish a legal system that would endure for future presidents. He raised the issue of preventive detention himself, but made clear that he had not made a decision on it. Several senior White House officials did not respond to requests for comment on the outsiders’ accounts.
“He was almost ruminating over the need for statutory change to the laws so that we can deal with individuals who we can’t charge and detain,” one participant said. “We’ve known this is on the horizon for many years, but we were able to hold it off with George Bush. The idea that we might find ourselves fighting with the Obama administration over these powers is really stunning.”
The other participant said Mr. Obama did not seem to be thinking about preventive detention for terrorism suspects now held at Guantánamo Bay, but rather for those captured in the future, in settings other than a legitimate battlefield like Afghanistan. “The issue is,” the participant said, “What are the options left open to a future president?”
Mr. Obama did not specify how he intended to deal with Guantánamo detainees who posed a threat and could not be tried, nor did he share the contents of Thursday’s speech, the participants said.
He will deliver the speech at a site laden with symbolism — the National Archives, home to the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Across town, his biggest Republican critic, former Vice President Dick Cheney, will deliver a speech at the American Enterprise Institute.
Mr. Cheney and other hawkish critics have sought to portray Mr. Obama as weak on terror, and their argument seems to be catching on with the public. On Tuesday, Senate Democrats, in a clear rebuke to the White House, blocked the $80 million Mr. Obama had requested in financing to close the Guantánamo prison.
The lawmakers say they want a detailed plan before releasing the money; there is deep opposition on Capitol Hill to housing terrorism suspects inside the United States.
“He needs to convince people that he’s got a game plan that will protect us as well as be fair to the detainees,” said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, who agrees with Mr. Obama that the prison should be closed. “If he can do that, then we’re back on track. But if he doesn’t make that case, then we&rsq

by luvdemdogs on 07 June 2009 - 03:06
You're kidding, right? Now sheer internet gossip is being posted as though it has some weight? Hilarious!
by Uglydog on 07 June 2009 - 03:06
They call President Obama..a 'Sh*thead, F*ckhead, N*gger, terrorist, p*ssy, faggot, idiot, assh*le,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxt9HwfPwPo

by Two Moons on 07 June 2009 - 03:06
by SitasMom on 07 June 2009 - 03:06
sends shivers down my spine

by sango on 07 June 2009 - 03:06
PREVENTIVE DETENTION???????
HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PARDON ME, IF YOU CANNOT CHARGE AND CANNOT DETAIN THEN YOU HAD BETTER FOLLOW THEIR BUTTS AROUND THE CLOCK UNTIL YOU HAVE ENUF TO ARREST, CHARGE, DETAIN AND CONTAIN......IN GITMO.
PREVENTIVE FOR THEM, SLIDES INTO PREVENTIVE TO US.
HOW EASY SIMPLISTIC SLIDES INTO SIMPLE.

by luvdemdogs on 07 June 2009 - 03:06

by sango on 07 June 2009 - 03:06
I certainly hope so, however I'm not gonna hold my breath. Truthfully nothing surprises me anymore. I think this current admin is gonna leave me sorely jaded. For our esteemed El Presidente to feel the need to muddle with private corporations where he has no business, imagine what he feels he can get away with regarding the issues that actually fall within his job parameters. Will his internet CZAR gun down our homes because we are threating national security with this thread?? All hail his majesty King Obama. Thank god he has no son and heir to leave his crown to. I thought we broke with England to escape crazy monarchs.

by sango on 07 June 2009 - 04:06
Did you know that it was treason in Henry VIII's time to imagine the kings death? There was no defense in a treason trial. Only hope for the king's clemency, which was never given. Ready to climb Obama's scaffold?
by SitasMom on 07 June 2009 - 04:06
ministry of peace - which rages war
ministry of plenty - which plans economic shortages
ministry of truth - which creates propaganda
not forget - war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength.......are we all ready for new speak?
who controls the past controls the future, who controls the present controls the past............
damn, just another one of those novels from 50 years ago.............
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