The PPD? - Page 1

Ok, I will start by saying that virtually everyone that has trained or is training a dog in personal protection knows that PPD is NOT a title and there is NO title to show that the dog has been trained in Personal Protection.

I was wondering if and when you see PPD put on a dog's name, do you recognize it as the dog has been trained to some extent of Personal Protection, or do you look at it and not really consider it nothing. Which would you prefer to consider if looking for a potential working  puppy? A litter sired or whelp by parents having the PPD on their names or one that has nothing at all which would indicate there was no training at all done.  Of course I do realize that some people an easily attach PPD to their dog as a selling tool and never have done training at all. However if there are pictures and or videos that shows the dog(s) actually being trained, would you consider that when looking for a puppy. ?  

I like many people do not train in sch or sport but we do train in personal protection. I was wondering how others feel about that PPD on a dogs name.  I have seen many many dogs on the database with PPD added to their names. I look it as I intend other to look at mine, " Hey I don't title my dogs, but we do train and put the dogs natural instincts to their fullest ability.

Well, from a "total" PDB point of view ;
You should know, that would all depend on "who's" dog the PPD was attatched to!

For what's worth; I don't give a rats @ss about a title. Just like I don't care if a person has a college degree. I'm more of a "show me!" kind of person. If the dog can do the job that you say it can and you can show me that it performs I'm good to go. I might be the exception on here but I simply want a dog to do whatever task its been trained to do. Papers/titles are a dime a dozen the proof is in the puddin...

Just my $0.02 worth

To me the "PPD" means nothing.  It is more of a sales pitch, bragging or some one trying to add some kind of title after the dog's name to say it is suddenly breed worthy because it bit a sleeve.  In Michael's case I believe he will fully train his dog and has no need to advertise the fact on the dog's pedigree.  His dog will perform a function and with the little I know about him, I think he is serious and will actually train the dog to perform well. 

Nona, if you truly think "Hey I don't title my dogs, but we do train and put the dogs natural instincts to their fullest ability." why not title them in PSA or some other venue.  I often wonder how people know their dog is trained to it's fullest ability if it is never trialed or tested?  The reality is that for the vast overwhelming majority of people that do "Personal Protection" training or have a "PPD" it is not much more than sport work.  If your dog is constantly biting a suit, sleeve or hidden sleeve it is a sport to the dog.  It is really no different than all of the crazy scenario stuff people do in PSA.  Very few people know how to properly take it to the next level or are have the ability themselves or in their dogs to go to the next level of what a "PPD" should be. 

As always the 'PPD" will impress a few people and I guess that is what really matters.

 I often wonder how people know their dog is trained to it's fullest ability if it is never trialed or tested?
 

Okay I have a new understanding/respect for titles. I honestly never thought of it this way. Good post as always Jim.

Michael

do u guys think that most of these protecion dogs are actualy SCHH titled ??

But why stop at just Sch titles ? A good GSD should be able to title in many venues... I think one of the most well rounded GSD I have ever seen was Andy Maly Vah (RIP) THAT is what the GSD is all about, IMO.

PPD on PDB is usually more of a selling tool then anything else I believe. It would depend on what individual is claiming PPD status I think, and of course seeing the dog work. You can slap that PPD status on any dog, doesn't make them one though.

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Melissa

To me it means nothing and furthermore if any of those dogs do get a bite on wrong person and someome sees the dog being touted as a personal protection dog, it will get them in loads of mess as to then what can be charged and how it is handled against the owner.

Gsdnewbie, whether a dog is titled or not, the owner is responsible if it bites someone.  The title does not protect it in the eyes of the law, unless it is a dog within the dept doing its job...
 

I doubt if 10% of PPD's are titled in anything. Most PPD couldn't cut it in sport work where it's not just about biting in defense with no control. A sport dog is judged by independent judges. PPD's are mostly BS and con men playing on the fears of the uneducated and misinformed. 

Thomas Barriano