Fursaver on backwards? - Page 1

Okay, this post may sound silly......but how can you put a fursaver on backwards? I took Buck yesterday to work, where we then went to a parade.  The "trainer" at our work said my dogs fursaver was on backwards.....I don't have pictures of my dog with it on, but this picture of a German Shepherd is how I had it on my dog.  I had somewhat lower down as well,  just because Buck doesn't need a correction, I just needed something around his neck to put a leash onto since I didn't have my slip lead with me.  Here is the picture that shows how I had it as well, how is this backwards? http://www.prodogz.com/Collars/dogfursaver.jpg  Irony of everything, his dogs are nutty (mine are well behaved), they know commands, but bounce off the walls and don't listen very well unless he has a bite tug around.  He's also never raised a dog as a puppy, he's just bought them already trained.  I just find it interesting how someone "trains dogs" for a living, but the only dogs he has are adults he bought already trained.

Most collars can be backwards. FS and choke, if backwards doesn't release as well. Even the prong should be a certain way. Do they work both ways? Yes. As to your trainer, I kinda equate it to a remodeling builder. Some builders like to deve. lop and build from the ground up. Others like to refurbished. Both types can be worthless, so it all depends. Your trainer just sounds like a hack. Not everyone wants to start from the foundation. Puppies and concrete can be costly.

Yes, you can put a fur saver or choke collar on incorrectly.  The picture you posted would be correct if the collar was moved around to the right side of the dog.  The collar should hang down like a "P" when looking at it.  If it does not hang correctly it will not release after a correction is given and continue to remain tight around the dogs neck.  When on the dog correctly the ring will slide back down after the correction and become loose again.  Fur savers are lousy correction collars to start with, but do not wear the fur off the dogs neck, hence the name "fur saver." 

Since most people are right handed the collar in the picture would be ok, if moved to the right side as the dog heeled in the "normal" heeling position on the handlers left side.  However, there are times when dogs are taught to heel on the handlers right side (not on the usual left side) and in that case the collar would be on the dog incorrectly. 

FWIW,

Jim

Ironic how this guy has his prong collars at the lowest part of the neck as well (and fairly loose), and I have yet to see him train one clients dog without a prong collar. I don't think he can to be honest.   I've helped people before to work with their dogs, whether it be behavior issues, and some with obedience.  I've done well with the dogs I've worked with.  I don't do training for a living like this guy does, I just do it on the side at times and have no intentions to do it for a living.  I just found it odd about the fur saver, I mean it released just fine, and my dog was far, far more well behaved than his.

Love a person, let alone trainer talk but not explain or demonstrate. I was going to say almost exactly what Slam said word for word. A 'P" and the dog on your left. And the trainer didn't explain or show? Some people don't like prongs, and some people say it can't stay on for long periods. My male, Reiker is long hair and he will wear one or two collars. Agitation and prong. Now Mostly a wide agitation you see in his pictures on previous threads. If I pull out his prong and he sees it then he's jumping for joy thinking of training. The choke/prong needs to be high and somewhat tight, at a certain spot. You can find pictures showing this.

I'm not sure I would call this person a trainer? More like a maintainer. How can he train puppy issues? Or young adults, etc.?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo0BKCTncEc

The above is a video of how it should be put on.  Don't take thier training tips, however...they don't have good control of the dogs and their behavior or teach the dog to focus properly.  Their dogs do not seem to know that a command means do this until you are released.  But it does show clearly how to put the collar on.

Thing is, mine was like a "P", and it released loosely as well.  That's how I've always used it, and I didn't even realize you could put it on "backwards".  I don't use fur savers as correction collars regardless though, I just needed something on his neck at the time.

alboe, I knew where the prong goes, just as I know where a choke goes, I was just stating where he keeps his prong located and how it's ironic since he said my dogs collar wasn't on right.  I'm not sure how he can do puppy classes or work with puppies for that matter.  He said he's getting a puppy in a couple of months as well....This will be the first one he got as a pup.

The thing that irritated me while I was there though, another guy I work with was sitting down when I walked into one of the rooms. (Small room too, I needed to ask someone something)  Well, Buck was sniffing in the air towards him, and the guy jumps towards him and yells so he can scare Buck.  Buck flinched because it made him slightly nervous, but didn't react towards him and was fine in like 2 seconds....I wanted to punch this guy in the face though. I doubt I take Buck there in the future with idiots like that,  or the puppy I have coming for that matter.  I didn't think he was going to be there that day.

Alboe, that's like saying a man cant be a gynocologist. just because he doesn't have one, doesn't mean he lacks the knowledge.

while a fur saver "can" be on backwards, I don't really consider it that way.  The links on a fur saver are so big, a smooth correction and release doesn't really work very well anyway.  For me it is never used as a choke collar anyway, it's a nice collar that can be slid on and off easily and I can attach a leash to any link I'd like and walk away.

When they're at home, they don't have them on anyway.

I hear you Chaz. And GSDguy08; not saying you didn't know......... just saying.