IPO Rules are coming..... - Page 1

What are things that anyone is unclear about or there is discussion about? 

I am not clear about the whole language thing.  Are all commands supposed to be in the same language or just same throughout the routine (such as platz for a down in motion versus saying down for the long down)?  Also, praise is okay on the 1 track but not on the turns.  You also need to have your dog ready to track when you are up, no more switching leashes.  I have heard that you are not allow to use grip commands such as "packen,"  however that is what they used on the SV video....   

good luck, ask two judges, get two different answers.  Especially on the language one

To me it seems clear that any language can be used but has to be consistent between exercises and phases.  IE, English heel in ob, use English heel in protection or whatever language you use.  It does not, to me say one language and one language only has to be used thru the entire trial. I usually use German, but in the past because of training mistakes or whatever, used a different language for a different exercise like the stand.  All German, French Stand.  But it seems so many interpret it that you can only use one language. 

If they wanted to say that, I think they would have just said it and made it clear.  One language used throughout the trial and that's it.

I'm pretty sure not bite commands are allowed at any time in the trial and haven't been for a few years  now.

I have to check on the praise.  I thought it was praise either before an article or after, but not both.  I don't praise on the track anyway unless my dog needs it, and then it won't matter what the rules say.  It's my job to make sure my dog performs their best, if it takes some praise, it takes some praise.  and then it is the judges job to take points for that.  I always strive for clean tracks with little praise though, that's my ultimate goal.

Great!!! No more Klingon during bitework. What's next?

I am curious if anyone else has seen the SV videos, I have, there is clearly a bite command.  Javir was used as a demo dog on the tape, which is also interesting since his heeling is very prancy, which is also supposedly now not desirable. 

I had initially thought that the language was supposed to be the same (i.e. all German, not mixing).  I have a dog that I retrained some commands to meet this "new" rule.  I generally also use German, but he was purchased an older dog that had mixed language used with him (English and German).  

I would agree that you get so many different answers from judges at this point.  Oi vey, my head hurts....lol.  I remember when you were to pat down the helper.  Depending on the helper, sometimes I would pat a little harder...lol.  They need to bring back the takedown on the bike.       

I agree. With gas prices, it is getting more and more common for thugs and criminals to ride bicycles. Plus, it will be awesome to wait to do any bicycle training until after you pass the Bh.

Hedi says

"What are things that anyone is unclear about or there is discussion about? 

I am not clear about the whole language thing.  Are all commands supposed to be in the same language or just same throughout the routine (such as platz for a down in motion versus saying down for the long down)?  Also, praise is okay on the 1 track but not on the turns.  You also need to have your dog ready to track when you are up, no more switching leashes.  I have heard that you are not allow to use grip commands such as "packen,"  however that is what they used on the SV video.... "  


 Answers:

 1. You must stay consistant with the language throughout the trial and the same command must be used for the same task throughout also.

 2. light praise is allowed on the IPO1 track only, just not at the corners or at the articles before approach, like it has always been , praise "AT" the corners is concidered handler help, always has been. The big change is now you CAN NOT praise your dog in levels IPO2 & IPO3 except at the articles.

 3. Checking into Judge ready to track (leash on and extended out so the Judge can see the length) is not a new rule, been like that for over 4 years.

 4. Same with grip commands, have not been allowed for a LONG time.....The SV video also says right at the begining that exercises are not shown perfect. In my opinion the videos are not very good at all.....

 Hedo also said

 " Javir was used as a demo dog on the tape, which is also interesting since his heeling is very prancy, which is also supposedly now not desirable. "


 Answer:

The "prancing" was the word used in the translation. But clearifications have come out stating

"Normal movement is better defined as a fairly level topline during the Heeling"

 and

  " What is correct heeling, what is faulty “prancing”.    Correct heeling is a happy and attentive, focused dog that moves with the Handler in the correct position , parallel to the handler with the shoulder in line with the handlers kneeand not bouncing or jumping. Prancing or bouncing is determined by the movement of the topline, NOT by the way the dog throws there legs out in movement. It is faulty if the topline(back) is bouncing up and down excessively)"

 It is more about dogs that are hopping or tucking their butt like they are about to sit at every step that is faulty....


  Hope this helps to clearify things

    Frank

Many competitors use "out" instead of "aus".... Is this ok per same language rule? And I am guessing "step back" "transport," and "halt" are exempt because they are commands to the helper, not the dog?

Frank, thank you for the clarifications. 

Gagsd4, good question. 

Commands to the Helper do not have to be in the same language.  

can you point out the wording in this rule that says you can only use one language?  Seems to me they go out of their way to make certain that a command must be consistent throughout the trial.  If they want one language and one only, why not clarify?  Instead of "must remain the same for an exercise"  why not say, only one language can be used from the start of the trial till the completion? 

why leave the ambiguity?  To me there isn't any, in fact this rule is less ambigiuous than the last writting of the rule that just said they can be given in any language but must be consistent.  They knew it was open to interpretation so they clarify it, and nowhere are they clarifying everything must be the same language.

Commands that are embodied in the trial rules are spoken in a normal, short and in a one word manner.
They may be done in any language, however must remain the same for an exercise.(valid for all phases).
The commands provided in the rules are suggestions. The same word is to be used for the same exercise.