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by Rass on 27 October 2011 - 13:10
Jeffs,
In your discussion of dominance I thought you were referring to the dog being dominant over HUMANS (not other dogs). Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Dogs do have a pecking order and that does change since they do not have a strict linear pack structure (like wolves).
Anyway.. back to correcting your dog in public and not getting hollered at.. well, good luck. LOL. As I noted in my post above, I just walked away. <shrug>
I am not beating my dog... simply giving a collar correction at the initiation of an undesirable behavior that is a clear disobedience (breaking the sit in the example above).
I don't much care what people tell me.
In your discussion of dominance I thought you were referring to the dog being dominant over HUMANS (not other dogs). Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Dogs do have a pecking order and that does change since they do not have a strict linear pack structure (like wolves).
Anyway.. back to correcting your dog in public and not getting hollered at.. well, good luck. LOL. As I noted in my post above, I just walked away. <shrug>
I am not beating my dog... simply giving a collar correction at the initiation of an undesirable behavior that is a clear disobedience (breaking the sit in the example above).
I don't much care what people tell me.
by LadyFrost on 27 October 2011 - 14:10
does any one else gets the feeling that this post was started for self justification versus help seeking? and every respond to any suggestion is a debate of how right he is and how no one gets it.......its a loosing battle...he is not desperate enough to listed....yet... :)
by triodegirl on 27 October 2011 - 17:10
I always try to be polite to strangers when I am out with one of my dogs. If you are rude or simply walk away it reflects poorly on the breed. And yes I know, people can be annoying as hell sometimes. But as my sister keeps telling me, it is always better to ACT rather than REACT. In other words, just because someone is behaving like an asshole, doesn't mean you have to become one also.Besides, sometimes people are just trying to be friendly and really don't mean to be annoying.
As for corrections in public, I try to only use mild corrections to keep my dog close by my side. The thought of taking the dog to a secluded spot later for "corrections" made me cringe.
JMO
Sue
As for corrections in public, I try to only use mild corrections to keep my dog close by my side. The thought of taking the dog to a secluded spot later for "corrections" made me cringe.
JMO
Sue
by triodegirl on 27 October 2011 - 20:10
Jeffs, just because someone offers you advice doesn't mean you have to take it. But please keep an open mind. I wish this forum and the people on it had been around 11 years ago when I was raising my boy Murphy. I got some very bad advice from both my vet at the time and several trainers in town. I think it was my vet who suggested I hold Murphy down on his back until he finally quits fighting me. I only tried that once. Murphy was still young and I was able to flip him on his back no problem. But as soon as he quit struggling and I let him go he promptly bit me on the hand :-(
Hope you stick around Jeffs. I'm mostly just a lurker here but have learned many valuable things.
Sue
Hope you stick around Jeffs. I'm mostly just a lurker here but have learned many valuable things.
Sue
by hunger4justice on 27 October 2011 - 22:10
LOL..sorry to laugh triode girl, but that sounds like a good dog...the kind I LOVE. I love that determination. I bet he turned out to be an excellent dog in the end, did he?
by triodegirl on 28 October 2011 - 01:10
Hunger4justice,
Looking back, I guess it was kind of funny. I was expecting a cute, cuddly little puppy and got the Tasmanian devil instead.
Murphy turned out to be an outstanding protector. He loved his job watching over me and took it quite seriously. It was impossible to ever hurt his feelings and never once did I ever see him back down to anyone. A friend bet me once he could bribe Murphy with a steak bone and almost lost his hand. I have no doubt Murphy would have given his life for me.
Sadly, Murphy had to be put down a few months ago. I buried him up north on my parent's land with a Beware of Dog sign over his grave. RIP buddy.
Looking back, I guess it was kind of funny. I was expecting a cute, cuddly little puppy and got the Tasmanian devil instead.
Murphy turned out to be an outstanding protector. He loved his job watching over me and took it quite seriously. It was impossible to ever hurt his feelings and never once did I ever see him back down to anyone. A friend bet me once he could bribe Murphy with a steak bone and almost lost his hand. I have no doubt Murphy would have given his life for me.
Sadly, Murphy had to be put down a few months ago. I buried him up north on my parent's land with a Beware of Dog sign over his grave. RIP buddy.
by hunger4justice on 28 October 2011 - 16:10
I PMd you triode girl
by Donnerstorm on 30 October 2011 - 15:10
I don't think it reflects poorly on the breed, what reflects poorly on the breed are gsds that are completely out of control and untrained.
by Jeffs on 31 October 2011 - 17:10
The advice I was looking for was limited to correcting in public. I wasn't looking for criticisms about the way I train my dog or insults aimed at my trainer.
It is truly amazing the "insight" some of you have based on a few lines. It's like dealing with Born Agains telling me that I'm living my life wrong and continue on even after I tell them that I'm very happy with my spritual life.
No, I wasn't looking for justification, which makes LadyFrost 0 for everything. You see, I didn't want to send the message to my dog that his aggression worked but I didn't feel comfortable giving him a hard correction in public. After all, if people who train their dogs don't understand it, I certainly don't expect people who don't train their dogs to understand it.
Oh, and I did ask my trainer who told me how to correct such behavior in a public setting.
It is truly amazing the "insight" some of you have based on a few lines. It's like dealing with Born Agains telling me that I'm living my life wrong and continue on even after I tell them that I'm very happy with my spritual life.
No, I wasn't looking for justification, which makes LadyFrost 0 for everything. You see, I didn't want to send the message to my dog that his aggression worked but I didn't feel comfortable giving him a hard correction in public. After all, if people who train their dogs don't understand it, I certainly don't expect people who don't train their dogs to understand it.
Oh, and I did ask my trainer who told me how to correct such behavior in a public setting.
by Jeffs on 31 October 2011 - 18:10
Hunger4justice
I'm not perfect but I try not to train when I frustrated. There are times when I do catch myself getting frustrated, but it happens less and less as I get more experience with my dog. Usually if I get frustrated it's not because of the dog. In any case, when I do catch myself getting frustrated, I will stop with what I am trying to train and do some simple "looks" with my dog. As I have gotten more experience with training I have learned that my dog will eventually get it and when I get frustrated, he stops listening.
So, no, it wasn't out of frustration.
On average, I think I give 10 rewards for every correction. We frequently mix up the the training session with play, particularly when he nails its. And if I catch myself getting frustrated, we go back to easy things that he knows really well and I make a concious effort to be positive.
As I stated earlier, he got aggressive with me because I had been letting him do things at home that I shouldn't have, letting him on the bed, letting him lie with me on the couch, etc. I have since went back to doing some remedial things like putting him in a down, straddling him, and gently swaying him with by legs, rewarding him for stayin in a down.
As far as his aggression with other dogs goes, he's gotten much, much better. He has trouble with dogs that aren't calm and rambunctous dogs or off leash coming at him will set him off, but we are working on it. I've at least gotten past the stage where I tense up when I see dogs coming and now see them as opportunities to work on his aggression. A dog sneaking up on him or dogs running at him will set him off. But as I've said, he's gotten better about it and I'm sure he will continue to get better.
I will say this - when he's already blown and going after another dog, corrections with the prong collar do nothing more that get him angrier, but the ecollar will work. And when he's got his jaws around another dog, the ecollar is useless. But, if I catch him before he's blown, then the prong collar is effective. He's a terrier - when he's blown, it's too late. He doesn't feel paid when he's in that state.
He's not just a terrier - he's a fox terrier. He's bred to go into a fox's den and go after the fox that's protecting it's kits. He has a lot of his grandfather's genes, who was a working dog in Great Britain. He would be perfect for a farm where he only saw the same dogs day after day and could hunt vermin.
By the way, it's not like I beat my dog whenever he doesn't do what I say. He has his CGC, probably could get a TD, and am working towards a CD. He's a great, great dog.
I don't think I do things that are that different from what most of you do with the exception of the prong collar and how I deal with displays of aggression. I personally believe that a prong collar is safer to use than a flat collar. In any event, neither dog shows any reluctance to wear it, which was not the case when I was experimenting with a gentle lead - one dog use to run and hide, he hated it so much. It's certainly better than a choke chain, which I hate.
I'm not perfect but I try not to train when I frustrated. There are times when I do catch myself getting frustrated, but it happens less and less as I get more experience with my dog. Usually if I get frustrated it's not because of the dog. In any case, when I do catch myself getting frustrated, I will stop with what I am trying to train and do some simple "looks" with my dog. As I have gotten more experience with training I have learned that my dog will eventually get it and when I get frustrated, he stops listening.
So, no, it wasn't out of frustration.
On average, I think I give 10 rewards for every correction. We frequently mix up the the training session with play, particularly when he nails its. And if I catch myself getting frustrated, we go back to easy things that he knows really well and I make a concious effort to be positive.
As I stated earlier, he got aggressive with me because I had been letting him do things at home that I shouldn't have, letting him on the bed, letting him lie with me on the couch, etc. I have since went back to doing some remedial things like putting him in a down, straddling him, and gently swaying him with by legs, rewarding him for stayin in a down.
As far as his aggression with other dogs goes, he's gotten much, much better. He has trouble with dogs that aren't calm and rambunctous dogs or off leash coming at him will set him off, but we are working on it. I've at least gotten past the stage where I tense up when I see dogs coming and now see them as opportunities to work on his aggression. A dog sneaking up on him or dogs running at him will set him off. But as I've said, he's gotten better about it and I'm sure he will continue to get better.
I will say this - when he's already blown and going after another dog, corrections with the prong collar do nothing more that get him angrier, but the ecollar will work. And when he's got his jaws around another dog, the ecollar is useless. But, if I catch him before he's blown, then the prong collar is effective. He's a terrier - when he's blown, it's too late. He doesn't feel paid when he's in that state.
He's not just a terrier - he's a fox terrier. He's bred to go into a fox's den and go after the fox that's protecting it's kits. He has a lot of his grandfather's genes, who was a working dog in Great Britain. He would be perfect for a farm where he only saw the same dogs day after day and could hunt vermin.
By the way, it's not like I beat my dog whenever he doesn't do what I say. He has his CGC, probably could get a TD, and am working towards a CD. He's a great, great dog.
I don't think I do things that are that different from what most of you do with the exception of the prong collar and how I deal with displays of aggression. I personally believe that a prong collar is safer to use than a flat collar. In any event, neither dog shows any reluctance to wear it, which was not the case when I was experimenting with a gentle lead - one dog use to run and hide, he hated it so much. It's certainly better than a choke chain, which I hate.
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