EXTREMELY STRONG/CIVIL MALE--CANADA - Page 1

THANK YOU TO EVERYONE FOR FEEDBACK. FYI, I KNOW CANTO IS SUGGESTED AS NOT ONLY A GOOD DOG, BUT GREAT. I RESPECT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED HIM AND SAY THAT OF HIM THAT I KNOW. AS MENTIONED--K9CHESS AND KYLE--THE BREEDINGS WILL BE FOR MILITARY/PARAMILITARY, EXTREME CIVIL SIT'N. WE HAVE 3 FEMALES FOR OUR PROGRAM. 1 IS A HIGH LINE THAT WE SENT TO BE BRED THAT IN "PROTECTION" OR CIVIL OR DEFENSE OR ? WORK, AT 1 YEAR OF AGE OUTDOES ANY FEMALE, OTHER THAN THE OTHER 2 WE HAVE. THE CANADIAN CONNECTION IS IMPORTANT FOR US BECAUSE OF OUR LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT COUNTRY(U.S/CANADA).THE REASON WE ARE LOOKING FOR A FEW EXTREME MALES IN CANADA IS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 50% OF THE RIGHTS TO THE BREEDING OF OUR YOUNG FEMALE. THE OTHER GUY IS NOT A BREEDER AND WE WOULD LIKE TO "SUGGEST" TO HIM WHERE CHOSEN FEMALES HE MAY END UP WITH SHOULD/MUST GO. THE MALE HE HAS IS SPECTACULAR-YOUNG AND THEIR CLUB DID GOOD WORK TO KEEP HIM BALANCED SO FAR-ALTHOUGH FOR OUR PURPOSES WE WOULD HAVE LET HIM DEVELOP INTO WHAT HE REALLY IS MUCH SOONER; BUT OBVIOUSLY FOR OUR NEEDS. ANYWAYS, FOR OUR 3 FEMALES WE "SORTED" THROUGH OVER 900 FEMALES WHO COULD NOT HANDLE REAL WORLD PRESSURE. SHE HAS EXTREME FIGHT AND ALL THOSE WHO HAVE MET HER NEVER FORGET HER. SHE'S 1 AND IS ONE OF THOSE DOGS THAT YOU NOTICE. OUR OTHER 2 ARE JUST AS SERIOUS BUT OLDER SO JUST NOT AS IMPRESSIVE IN 3 AND 4 YEAR OLDS. OUR FRIEND IN CANADA MUST BREED THESE 2 NEXT YEAR AND WE ARE TAKING OUR PUPPIES INTO OUR PROGRAM WITHOUT A DOUBT, WE ARE LOOKING FOR EXTREME MALES--IN CANADA--THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY BREED TO THESE PUPPIES IN THE FUTURE. HOPEFULLY YOUNGER MALES. ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT WE, FOR OUR SITUATION, ARE TRYING TO LIMIT OUR EXPOSURE TO PREY DOGS. I HAVE BEEN TOLD TO DO MY HOMEWORK TONIGHT SO ANY SUGGESTIONS, PLEASE. BY THE WAY, I WILL GET MY E-MAIL UP AGAIN. FOR WHATEVER REASON THERE IS A PROBLEM IN MY ADDRESS.

GSDONLINE, I have been reading your posts and it has been very interesting to me because I own a very civil yet very clear female who will bite and not just on the field. She has extreme fight drive and is very strong. She has produced one litter with excellent results. I bring this up because I am looking to breed her again but with a diff. male. I have been told by very experienced people that I need to be carful on who I breed her too. If I breed her to a male who also is similar to her it could produce awsome puppies or a bunch of spooks. Her last litter produced 10 pups with 6 of whom could not be placed in a pet home, but wre placed in working homes. I was wondering if you have concerns about what your female will produce with a extreme cival male since you stated your female is extreme also.Just wanted your thoughts on that.

JETTASMOM: GREAT FEEDBACK. IF BITING IS COMING FROM SHARPNESS-SOMETIMES FEAR, SOMETIMES TOO MUCH NERVE ETC.- THEN YES YOU CAN HAVE LOTS OF PROBLEMS. IF YOU HAVE A FEMALE LIKE I STATED, BREED TO A STRONG, STABLE, CONFIDENT MALE I WOULD SUGGEST. MY EXTREME IS FOR FIGHT. ALSO, WHO IS YOUR FEMALE AND PEDIGREE IF POSSIBLE I MAY GIVE BETTER SUGGESTIONS AND ALSO HOW OLD? PEOPLE/PET HOMES ALL VARY. SOME PET HOMES PEOPLE ARE MUCH MORE ACTIVE THAN WORKING HOMES PEOPLE AND CAN HANDLE HIGH-ENERGY DOGS MORE ENJOYABLY THAN WORKING HOMES SO REALLY, PROPER BREEDING TAKES A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF WORK AND COST. IF BITING, AGGRESSION COMES FROM AN ABSOLUTE PREFERENCE TO BE LEFT ALONE OR INDEPENDENT OF ANYONE OTHER THAN HANDLER AND PACK; OR FROM ONLY 1 WITH EXTREME SHARPNESS OR IN MY SITUATION EXTREME FIGHT DRIVE...I VIEWED SOME OF THE SUGGESTED GERMAN VIDEOS AND I DON'T WANT TO SEEM CRITICAL BUT THINK OF IT MORE IN TERMS OF CHOOSING THE STOCK YOU WOULD PUT YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE WITH. JETTASMOM, HOPE THIS HELPS. I KNOW MANY OTHER OPINIONS, BUT BE REAL CAREFUL. FIRST KNOW THE END, THEN WORK YOUR WAY BACK.

PHEONEX. IF I AM CORRECT I HAVE INFO. ON YOUR SUGGESTED DOGS: 1.IF THE SAME DOG, DRE IS BACK IN EUROPE. WE ARE RESEARCHING EUROPEAN FEMALES FOR HIM NOW IN THE FUTURE. IF THE SAME DOG, HE'S REALLY GOOD. NOT AS TOUGH THOUGH AS SOME MAY HAVE BELIEVED. 2.EAST COAST SID-GREAT POINT DOG. PROBLEM BARKING. TOO MUCH TO RISK HERE--OVERLOADS. 3.CABRE IS WELL KNOWN-I BELIKEVE HE HAD A BETTER BROTHER WHO WAS PUT DOWN. I DON'T THINK HE CAN BE BRED ANYWAY. 4. I DEFINITELY KNOW CHAZ AND STORM IN BC. POLICE K9 AND SPORT DOG. RESEARCHING STORM AT PRESENT. GREAT SUGGESTIONS.

GSDONLINE,My female is on this database her name is Hannaliese vom Dreieck DOB:12-22-02 the male I bred her too is Fero von den Kosaken. I am mentioning the male in case you want to see his pedigree.It was an open breeding and it was a perfect match for her and him. and he is on this database also. I want to bring her to a diff. male because I want to see what she produces with another male. I know I need to be very careful on who I choose for stud. Thanks for your input. What are you looking for in the pedigrees you are researching? I have learned that just because the pedigree is good it does not mean the dog is good. I have been told to see the dog in person or have ALOT OF TRUST in someone who can vouch for the dog. and then look at the pedigree

Hi GSDonline! What is the breeding on your three females? Names? Pedigre¿s? Would be very interested to see a tape of them.Anything on the www? You got a Website? Very best regards !! Terry

JETTASMOM: FOR OUR PURPOSES, PEDIGREES ARE #10 ON A LIST OF 1-10, JUST MAY ADD SOME REASSURANCE, HOWEVER IF THE BEST ONE CAN SAY OF A DOG IS ITS PEDIGREE THEN I BELIEVE A PROBLEM WITH THE DOG. BETTER A DOG WITH NO PEDIGREE THAT IS OUTSTANDING THAN VISE-VERSA.I SAW YOUR DOGS-LOOK GOOD IN MY OPINION. I WOULD GUESS YOUR FEMALE TO BE QUITE A BIT MORE TO PREY, WITH A CIVIL SIDE. TERRY1, 1 IS HIGH-LINE AND THE GENTLEMAN IS JUST HAVING HER REGISTERED NOW AS IT WAS NOT IMPORTANT FOR US, SO I WILL LET YOU KNOW ONCE DONE. 1 IS A 75%WORK LINE(CZECH) AND 25% HIGH LINE, AND 1 IS ALL WORK. I WILL DIG AND GET PEDIGREES ETC SO NO CONFUSION. I E-MAILED THE GENTLEMAN IN CANADA TO PLEASE DO A VIDEO OF OUR GIRL THIS WEEKEND AS IT HAS BEEN ABOUT 6 MONTHS SINCE WE'VE SEEN PICTURES, VIDEOS ETC. HOWEVER I KNOW EVERYTHING IS GREAT--I CAN HEAR THE COMMOTION IN THE BACKGROUND WHEN I TALK TO HIM.I CHECKED AND SHE IS NOW JUST 15 MONTHS AND THEY ARE DOING GOOD SOCIALIZATION WORK WITH HER-NOBODY TRUSTS HER YET(AND FOR GOOD REASON) SO THEY MUZZLE HER, PUT HER IN A SIT AND WALK CLOSE AROUND ETC. JUST GETTING HER TO UNDERSTAND OBEDIENCE IS OBEDIENCE AND SHE JUST CAN'T SPARK UP ON EVERYONE-NO MATTER HOW MUCH SHE WOULD LIKE TO. I'LL GET ALL THE OTHER RELEVANT INFO. BY NEXT WEEK AND PUT IT UP HERE. I, OBVIOUSLY, CANNOT RELEASE ANY VIDEO OF THE 2 IN OUR PROGRAM DUE TO RULES BUT PEDIGREES ETC. I WILL. BY THE WAY, VERY LITTLE REPLY/RESPONSE WITH ACTUAL DOG SUGGESTIONS FROM CANADA. WOULDN'T YOU ALL AGREE. LETS HOPE FOR MORE

Hi Buddy ! I am sorry but that all sounds to me like a spooke dog back yard breeding. You never have seen this females? But they are super? Somebody who know¿s somebody tell¿s you about a dog and you write down that he is a prey dog or a deffence dog. Never mind but I don¿t need to see tape¿s any more. If you need help in the future let me know. As I said: Never mind , but this is a crazy thread!! Terry

Gsdonline, I have to agree with Terry. I was under the impression that you have seen this female but it sounds like you have never seen her. The guy who has her is not a breeder and yet he is going to breed her. I hope it works out for you but I would also be very careful.

TERRY1: SORRY I MAY HAVE BEEN NOT CLEAR. ALL 3 FEMALES I SPEAK OF ARE OURS AND WERE WORKED/TRAINED BY US AND ALREADY FIELD WORKING/BORDER PATROL ETC. I KNOW THEM ALL VERY WELL-AS MUCH OR EVERYTHING I COULD KNOW OF THEM. THE DOGS MENTIONED BY JETTASMOM I HAVE HEARD OF FROM PAST RESEARCH, FYI. THOSE DOGS ARE ONLY A COUPLE HUNDRED MILES FROM ONE OF OUR BASES, THEY ARE UP IN ILLINOIS AND A HANDLER HERE HAS SEEN THEM AT A TRIAL WHEN DOING HIS RESEARCH FOR US. I AM NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS?