Buying Top Dogs in Germany to show in NASS - Page 1

Trying to figure something out here without insulting anyone... i heard that there were some big purchases on higher placing females from Germany recently and the new US owners were going to show these working class females at this years NASS .. why would anyone want to do that? Wheres the challenge? I understand the purchase, wanting to start a foundation, strong bloodline,etc... but why not wait to show the offspring from this female from your own breeding, whats the sence to show a higher VA, V rated or SG rated female born and raised in Germany, at a NASS? Best Regards, Dawnmarie

My first guess would be to announce their arrival. My second guess would be to show everyone the dog in action.

Well, what happens when some of these dogs may have been purchased directly or indirectly (out of one of their studs or bitches) from the judges? Louise

Thats actually an excellent idea, Folkwulfe, there should be an "exhibition only" for the working class, to do just that. They can compete against other and be given a placing. Naturally they should have to pass bitework as well. What do others think about having a class like this in the NASS so folks who import these very nice adults can share them with us? Best Regards, Dawnmarie

The phone rang with bad news and I lost my train of thought here. I meant to say there should be an "exhibition only" class and/or a class to have these newly purchased titled imports to show in, and then they can compete against each other and be given a placing etc... With the exhibition class they can have the dogs go through the individual and then have them go around as a class for everyone to view. sorry for the misrepresentation of my idea best regards, Dawnmarie

Purchases of such dogs (as INVESTMENTS, BTW) may be calculated to WIN under specific NASS (and other judges) judges--and to enhance the EGOS of their buyers. JMOHO--of course. I'm not sure that the actual goal of "sharing" comes into the picture--as altruistic as you proposal implies. The buyer attempts to assure high placings of his recent acquisition by bringing over the dog's easily recognized, previous German TEAM (their breeders from well-known kennels, former owners, and previous handlers--often bedecked in matching clothing with logos that leave no doubt as to the identity of the dogs). Furthermore, the higher placing German VA dogs/bitches tend to be sold because their breeding value in Germany has fully realized to the point of exhaustion--as their winning progeny begin to take over. The younger ones may be sold due to problems with bitework or failure to meet earlier producing expectations. Sometimes, these VA purchases are older, have a limited realistic breeding life expectancy when they are sold, and may already be experiencing occasional problems of diminishing fertility or libido--or bitches with a history of whelping dificulties. Louise

Hi you all in America..greetings!! Buying top dogs from Germany to show in their own countries (in your case NASS) is very common and usual. For example you can check how many top dogs from Germany in these recent years went to China, Taiwan, Hongkong, Philipine, India etc and these dogs, of course : be showed and made an 100% top position. I would rather say that besides the great enthusiasm of these owners about GSD (not to mention the ability to purchase), the honor purpose of strengthening the breeding base and quality for the owner himself or the community of GSD in their country, then : the pride of certain status in his own country or even in Internasional Stage (gaining recognition around the SV World) definitely play its very important role by buying these highest quality GSD available. Breed them and wait the result to show is a good suggestion: to make the local quality better. But beware, breeding is not easy and sometimes luck has something to do in it. So.. I think if we are fortunate enough to have people in our community have the ability to purchase a top GSD direct from Germany, then we must welcome them in open arm instead of questioning them. I agree that the side effect will be that all other stocks (local bred or other medium quality imports) will be beaten by these Top Dogs but we must admitt their quality in the show right?? and the bright side is :in the spirit of friendship we can use their very enspensive stock for our breeding advantage, hopefully we have luck to breed a champion, surely it will be cheaper for us, won't it??

Nice response, Parako!

the pride of certain status in his own country or even in Internasional Stage (gaining recognition around the SV World) definitely play its very important role by buying these highest quality GSD available. Breed them and wait the result to show is *****************a good suggestion: to make the local quality better. But beware, breeding is not easy and sometimes luck has something to do in it. So.. I think if we are fortunate enough to have people in our community have the ability to purchase a top GSD direct from Germany, then we must welcome them in open arm instead of questioning them. I agree that the side effect will be that all other stocks (local bred or other medium quality imports) will be beaten by these Top Dogs but we must admitt their quality in the show right?? and the bright side is :in the spirit of friendship we can use their very enspensive stock for our breeding advantage, hopefully we have luck to breed a champion, surely it will be cheaper for us, won't it?? ******************* How bout those who are American breeders and show their own breedings that "really" are better than the newly imported token just brought in? Does that happen often, the import being placed in a higher position than it "really" should be? How does that support the fellow American breeder? Obviously we want our foundation from the best... our foundation is the female. The stud dog presentation is important, certainly... I don't know, even if i had the money to import a high V rated female from Germany, I really cant see myself showing her in a NASS, wouldnt make sence to me she already has a high placing from the Motherland, right? Now, her progeny, yes.. that would be the key to show them and see how she produces. Open mindedly, I am processing both sides... curious as to what others felt as well :) Thank you for your posts Best Regards, Dawnmarie

Dawnmarie, the reverse is pemitted too. And is done. You can take a good well bred USA dog and take him to Germany to compete or anywhere else for that matter. It goes both ways. Alf Wilhendorf is an example of a USA bred dog that successfully competed in Germany as well as in the USA, reaching VA here. You may think this is different, but it really isn't. The bar is always being raised higher of course over time. For many people this will be their only opportunity on the NA continent to see such highly placed dogs in person. I hate to say this but usually these dogs vanish quickly from scene. I don't know where they go, but they make a big debut and are gone. Maybe some go back to Germany??? I dunno. I think what will be of interest in October, are the kennel groups and what they have produced. We have some very good and successful breeders in the USA. They will make their mark at the NASS, for sure.