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by sueincc on 06 July 2009 - 16:07
Some dogs are known to target too high more to the elbow, some target too low, down by the hand. Do you feel that either way is merely a training issue or do you feel as I have seen some suggest, this can be the dog in avoidance? It would be great if you can possibly elaborate on why or why not, too.
by Mindhunt on 06 July 2009 - 16:07
Sueincc, In my limited experience (when compared to the wealth of experience on this database), I have found that many times it is the decoy not using the sleeve or his/her body right to help dog target and bite full, and this is in no way a slam to decoys who have a very difficult task. When I was training as a decoy many years ago, my trainer emphasized the importance of holding the sleeve correctly and how to move with the dog when the dog did make contact to make the bite full without causing the dog discomfort when first learning to bite, using body language (this was K9 not Schutzhund) to bring the dog in, etc. I know when I turned the sleeve slightly on an angle, some dogs would "corn cob" up the sleeve to the elbow and I was told this was due to easing the discomfort and trying to regrip. I watched another learning decoy not "give" and move his body to ease the impact of a learning dog's bite and this occurred twice, the new dog was leary of the sleeve after that and wouldn't take a full bite or tried to go to a softer spot on the sleeve rather than the bite site, thank goodness my trainer was able to correct this. My trainer said it is the decoy's job to train the dog and make sure the dog gets rewarded for perfoming correctly. He wore a T-shirt we gave him that said "Dog Treat" since he said the decoy is the dog's reward.
I have great respect for good decoys, I never realized the finesss, ability to read a dog, and shear physicalness of the work. Whew.
I have great respect for good decoys, I never realized the finesss, ability to read a dog, and shear physicalness of the work. Whew.
by habanaro on 06 July 2009 - 17:07
Sleeve presentation can play a big part in awkward grips. I like to do a lot of work with bite pillows and wedges seems to have worked well with fluffy and cupcake.
by judron55 on 06 July 2009 - 17:07
Hi Sue.....I
by judron55 on 06 July 2009 - 17:07
Hi Sue again:-)
If the foundation work with the pup is correct, you will rarely see a bite at the end or near elbow of the sleeve....this also depends on the dogs confidence...! Avoidance is natural for an insecure dog! Elbow biters are usually stick sensitive....End of sleeve biters are a short step away from being run from the field...IMHO!
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If the foundation work with the pup is correct, you will rarely see a bite at the end or near elbow of the sleeve....this also depends on the dogs confidence...! Avoidance is natural for an insecure dog! Elbow biters are usually stick sensitive....End of sleeve biters are a short step away from being run from the field...IMHO!
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by judron55 on 06 July 2009 - 17:07
Sleeve presentation is just that....a good dog readjusts his grips if he gets a bad presentation! With all the work involved...unless the helper is just plain awful....a bad presentation should only make the dog work harder to get that proper grip..IMHO!
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