WDA Proposed By-Law Changes - Page 3

SitasMom: Board members are bound by secrecy ONLY for closed Executive Sessions, per Robert's Rules.  Normally those sessions are reserved for sensitive personnel/disciplinary matters.  Significant bylaw changes that affect the entire Membership were always open session discussions until the Yee administration took office.

Boo-boo: The WDA got themselves into this stew all by themselves.  Your USCA conspiracy theories are nuts.  Just another one of Bubba's Boo-Boos.

I don't see any stew.  The GSDCA has not supported the WDA financially .. GSDCA members who want IPO titles on their records can have them added now as I understand the rules regardless of where they were obtained.  WDA members can gain access to WUSV via membership in the GSDCA or WDA can become a free standing member of the WUSV as it has been since founding of the WDA.  The WDA existed in parallel with the GSDCA for many years and will do so again.  The SV and the WDA have a long history of cooperation and the same BS and lies from the USCA which came to a conclusive decision by the WUSV in 2013 about who is a member of the WUSV is not going to change that relationship.  The qualifiers for the 2014 WUSV will be coming in the future and lest we forget that the cheating from the previous WUSV qualifiers by the USCA has brought the WUSV in as the blue helmets in 2014.  The USCA would do well to not fall back into their old habits of cheating and trying to fix the qualifier as the WUSV will be standing on the sidelines in 2014 watching.  I think it is possible that in 2015 or later there either is no qualifier or that the qualifier becomes a 3 way event with GSDCA, WDA, and USCA all participating.  GSDCA and WDA have no dual membership BS rule so if the WUSV has the GSDCA and WDA both as members both will get to send qualifiers and members of either or both clubs could represent their club or clubs in either capacity.  The USCA members would only have one venue (their own).  How is that for keepin' it real??

If the rumor is true, I see the WUSV dumping the GSDCA.

If the GSDCA and WDA seperate, the WUSV has no use for the GSDCA, except possibly for additional income from club dues.

The AKC breed standard has long been a burr under the saddle of the SV and WUSV.
Breeding dogs without; hip/elbow certifications, a minimum age, any type of show or working requirements...

Just a thought.

 

This sets up an interesting set of circumstances. The GSDCA is the WUSV affiliate. The WUSV requested the GSDCA-WDA be recognized as a member and they were. Without the WUSV affiliation the WDA has no access to SV judges or SV services they currently offer and are not connected with some of the national events.

The whole situation rests on what the WUSV does. Will the WUSV allow a third member or will they hold at two for the US? If they allow three, the WDA continues on their present path. If not, the WDA has to come up with their own set of judges and will need to decide what they can do with the 'a' stamp program, sending National members to the WUSV events, etc.

Traditionally the WUSV has been holding countries to two. There's no doubt the WDA represents the type of dog the WUSV strives to promote. Will the WUSV break tradition and go with a third or even revoke the GSDCA's position?

Here's the choices. One organization clearly represents the WUSV goals. They however were at 47,000 in assets at the beginning of the year loosing approximately 20K per year with an annual operating budget around 53.4K (taken from Jan 2014 treasurer's report). Doesn't take a CPA to see thay are struggling financially. Can they recover? Not likely. The income that has been eroding over the past few years is still eroding. The income from membership, club dues and event fees is less than 40K. The income from SV services is break even and the income from National events last year was a negative 12, 014.  Quick math, they are running a 53,000 annual program with a 28,000 income. Will the WUSV be willing to back that set of circumstances? Will the WDA be around long enough to be accepted in?

On the other hand you have a long established organization. A founding member of the WUSV. This organization has the numbers. They have the financials. They are financially strong enough to take a 100,000.00 dollar loss at a singe event, absorb it and move on. Furthermore their WUSV liason is an SV judge. He's an honest to goodness dog person with an exceptional set of credentials. He owned the #2 male in the world since he was a puppy.

The choice the WUSV makes will be interesting.

What happens next if the WUSV only allows two? The WDA is then self sufficient. Can it develop a number of judges to support their events? Will anyone participate in the events that are only recognized within the WDA? Is it possible that anything they do could ressurect the organization?

Then there's the GSDCA. What could they do? Their typical dog is not the WUSV type. Where do they go? With the finances and ability to expand, the GSDCA can simply spin another arm of itself. The GSDCA retains the SV services, has access to SV judges. It would need to get the people, clubs, infrastructure, to become what the WDA once was to them. Who would they get? Would the SV style world take them seriously and join? Could they get clubs formed and put on the working and show events?

It looks to me like the GSD community is ready. It would take some key people. Do they have them? I think they do. Do they know who they are and will they put the right people in the right places? There's the question.

Booboo,

As usual, you do not have the slightest clue what you are talking about.  What this implosion does it make it clear to the SV and the WUSV that  USCA has  accurately and truthfully told them all along about the farce that wasGSDCA-WDA ,and the relationship between the two.   Now, the cat is not only out of the bag--it shredded the damn thing.  This is all about a bovine excremental powerplay by Yee (note the extension of his term to 2017, when the WDA bylaws limit him to two terms).     Talk about "a falling out among thieves!' Anyone want to bet $5 on the numbers of well-known WDA people who start showing up in Schutzhund USA uncer "new members"?  

 There is another scenario:  a rapprochment between USCA and GSDCA, a relationship analogous to the relationship between the "working" people and the "show folks" within USCA: quasi-symbiotic. "We will handle our part of this pie, and you handle yours.  We will just keep the pie on the same platter,  use the same serving dishes and share the whipped cream. "

Wallace was just sturring up the dust...GSDCA has not voted to dump the WDA...(per VP and member of executive board of GSDCA)

As for the proposed by-law changes, brainstorming sessions are part of the creative process. If or until these proposed changes are mailed out for a vote, its all a bunch of hot air....who knows, all this talk may have been manufactured just as the rumor that Wallas has spread.

I'm not sure this includes clubs outside of the family of AKC clubs. Has it changed lately?

"Effective December 31, 2009 the AKC started recording Working Dog titles earned in events held by existing organizations, if requested by a breed Parent Club. The organization must be approved by the AKC Performance Events Department. Titles to be recorded require Board approval. The recording of the title on an AKC pedigree will be done at the request of the dog’s owner for a fee set by the AKC.

In addition, AKC clubs will be permitted to invite the other organization to hold its Working Dog event in conjunction with the AKC club’s AKC event, as long as it is clear in the publicity that the former is being held under the auspices of another organization."

I am disappointed that Wallace would tell or repeat a fib .. I am also disappointed that maybe there won't be a 3 way WUSV qualifier with GSDCA, WDA, and USCA in the near future.  I think it would be great if GSDCA and WDA separated and both were members of the WUSV.  They could cooperate on judges and scheduling trials and members of both clubs could be represented in the WUSV qualifier .. be careful what you wish for.  By the way there is never going to be any deal between the USCA and anyone because the dirty deeds and cheating exhibited by the USCA to others and to their own members has poisoned that well.  The SV/WUSV president came to Arizona in 2013 and judged a small and unimportant WDA trial but the USCA didn't get the message.  Soon thereafter they got a "do or die" letter.  So who is clueless??  The WUSV isn't going to dump anyone .. they want the money and they know that any infighting between the United States GSD organizations is like a food fight at a kindergarten birthday party... messy, noisy, and of no consequence.  

Kim,  you are right,  Who knows?  I could be lying?  I could have been lied to?  The V.P. maybe doing damage control?  Or, she could just be out right telling what people would want to hear?  What I do know is, we will all find out the real truth soon!  As I said on FB,  I'm going to the Qualification trial!  And unless something goes wrong in my training or a sickness occur to me or my dog I will be going to France no matter happens to GSDCA or GSDCA-WDA.  

A little advice, don't believe me or the V.P. or anyone else at this point.  Time will tell the truth.....And the truth will happen before the quali trial.