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I have no problem with differing opinions,  I do get a little hot when misquoted (on purpose), do me the courtesy of not misquoting me on purpose and we can get along just fine, disagreements, misspellings, my run on sentences and all.

Just dont beed the blue..  Too much to explain, but breeding isnt about color,,it is about re arranging genes, chromo and the whole package so that    FAULTS  are eliminated.    When you start compromising the issues and let any ole thing mate, even though you dont think they are of any precidence, they lead to other traits that kill the health,  and are passed down to the next generation. One fault x one fault = 2 faults      2 faults x2 faults =4 faults and then you get something in a few years that look like below

I'm having a hard time understanding this. Can you please explain this part of your post?

Read about 100 books before doing any breeding blue, green , yellow , black , red or white.

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Ya know what, THIS is totally RIDICULOUS! I asked a simple question, and , AS USUAL, it got twisted WAY OUT OF PROPORTION.I HAVE ONE BLUE DOG!!!!!! He is to old to START SCHUTZHUND TRAINING, ON OCCASSION, I get a blue pup. I wanted to know, IF I got another,what would you think if he showed up at a trial???? YOU SEE HIS PIC, tell me, ASIDE from his color, WHAT CAN YOU PICK APART ON HIM???

NOTHING, just as I thought. WHY does everything have to be a fight, and DISTORTION of the FACT??

God DAMN!! and YES, I AM SHOUTING

21 people directly answered your question.  Most  said "No problem,  get out there, have fun, work and title the dog".   Some of us also now are taking the conversation to the issue of breeding.  I hate to tell you, but this is the way threads work, the conversation goes back & forth, hopefully remaining in the general area of the original topic of conversation.  As a matter of fact, this thread has remained pretty much  on track than usual, amazing considering this is a very lightly moderated board.

Now you say "WHAT CAN YOU PICK APART ON HIM....................NOTHING JUST AS I THOUGHT".  Wow and huh?  Are you now asking for a conformation critique of your dog?  If so, I'm sure there are those who will be happy to oblige, just be sure you really want to hear what they think, or don't ask, because not everyone will say only nice things.

I am completely confused with your accusation regarding people "distorting facts".  I don't see it, nope sorry.   I tell you what, the next time you ask a question, tell people you are taking a poll, give them multiple choice answers to choose from, then tell them to limit their answer to "A, B C or D". 

now lets be fair if this dog was brushed out real good and stacked he would not have any faults except his color .this dog is free standing in the weather on a lopsided mountain.and no,, people only like there own dogs on this base or dogs they bred ,,there friends bred ,,and so on and so on..there a bunch of hypocits

Unless my old eyes are really failing only one reply to my post was from Sue

Right ladies and gentlemen, i now ask you breeders of Dogs over there in the USA to mail me, or put the full names of your breeding Dogs on this forum, i can then see through the generations of the breeding the hip and elbow scores three generations is enough

This one area is enough to value if a dog is sound for breeding forget the colour, because if the dog does have any faults with its hips or elbows it should not be bred regardless of what other good qualities it has

For what i have read on this forum many, and i mean many Dogs are bred with faulty hips and elbows yet you folk rave on in nearly every instance that because a Dog is of the Blue colour  it must not be bred

No one answered my post. so there i have asked you Breeders over in the USA, to post the full names of your breeding dogs i take it they will be on the pedigree base for us to see, In other words put  facts in front of your mouths

Let us at least see the Hip and Elbow scores of your dogs for three generations we can then all make up our own minds if they should be bred from or not, you speak out about a dog with a certain colour quickly enough should not do this or that, now lets see what your dogs are made of. I would expect to see 100% top scores on Hips and Elbows not less on all Dogs being bred from

Steve

Hi Wuzzup, I don't think it's that bad.  For example, go through the latest pages & check out the threads asking for critiques.  Here are some I found just on the first page of the message board, people providing pictures and wanting opinions, and as you can see, the people who responded are not talking only about dogs of their breeding or their own dogs.  I sure will agree that sometimes it gets down right nasty, but people are pretty kind when they critique others dogs and are careful to word criticisms carefully.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/244416.html

 http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/243964.html

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 Poor OP, here we go, off topic again!!!!

Bear Jerome      OFA GOOD

Tripl'H Arma Tiac     OFA EXCELLENT

Tripl'H Zu Zu vom Tejas    OFA GOOD

Queen von der Held    OFA GOOD

Tripl"H Cola vom Strommen  OFA EXCellent 

Tripl'H Two Toe Dax Strommen  OFA   GOOD

Tripl'H Drieczuik  Blaize Harkn   OFA Fair

KitKat... not pickin on your guy at ALL... but every single dog has faults.  All you have to do is read the various comments about the VA dogs in any country and you'll hear of faults...

I have heard that there are genetic issues that are linked to color dilution (mind you I heard the same things about whites which were later disproved...) The one I do believe is that breeding a dilute (blue or liver) to a standard coloration dog can/will lead to fadeing in coat color.  It's by no means exclusive to dilutes though... a LOT of very well known and heavily bred dogs also produce faded colors.  (I have seen a LOT of Reno progeny with this for one instance)

 Train, show and title like crazy... and I certainly feel they should be allowed in clubs and shows for that reason.  Before I got involved with breeding blues or livers I'd want to know more of the research about the links to that color.  I also wouldn't want to breed ONLY because of a color... be it Blue, White, Black, Green... whatever... including Pandas...  The other thread I started was about a kennel I felt was promoting breeding for Color and long Coats  rather than for the overall betterment of the breed. 

I also would be willing to bet that MANY blues are registered as Black due to inexperience with the dilute color.