Obama a christian?? - Page 7

I know better than to judge a person based on their personal faith.  There are members of my family who are Muslims, there are members of my family who are Christian, as well as other religions.  We do not judge one another based on religion because we are better than that, Raymond, as are most Americans, thankfully.

As far as whether or not I believe Snopes, Smoking Gun, etc.. Disprove their evidence.  Look at the link your dear little friend Maggie provided - IT SAYS THE SAME THING!!!   I sure as hell know better than to believe some rumor from a video store!!!! 

You guys keep grasping at straws, salacious rumors and innuendo, regardless of how trumped up or perposterious.

I wish all you scared little people would just go into your bunkers and lock yourself away from the world for a while.  Isn't it about time to shut the blast doors?

Why do you conclude that when the evidence is in and it is convicting evidence that we are not supposed to judge a person?  If a person habitually and consistently lies we generally conclude that they are a liar! correct ? If a person consistently steals from friends ,family,strangers,we conclude they are a thief ! yes?If a person claims to be a Christian and consistently and habitually does those things inconsistent with the teachings of Christ we can conclude they are not a Christian! Correct? You encounter a person who professes to be a schutzhund trainer! After several training sessions you conclude they were less than truthfull to you ; Are you judgeing that person when you say to yourself and friends "that person is not a trainer" Did you make a judgement based upon your observations? Yes ! Were you  judging that person? Yes! What is the difference between that and arriving at a conclusion based upon observation and facts you know upon which you based your conclusion! Christians are christians because they  accepted and acknowledged that Jesus Christ died on that cross for their sin and asked to be forgiven and to turn away from all sin and that God raised him from the dead after 3 days and has made the commitment to follow and adhear to the teachings of the scripture untill they die. Do christians stumble / yes will we ever go back to the way we used to live? NO!. will we struggle to live a clean and holy life?Yes.will we always be sucessfull? NO ! Will most others hate us? Yes ! Why will most others hate us? Because unbelievers hold us to an even higher standard and use that excuse to label us hypocrites. The world hated Jesus because he convicted them of their wickedness and they did not want to see the evil they did1

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That's the thing Raymond, there is no evidence against Obama and his religion, only trumped up rumors, innuendo spread by bitter and angry people with a really sad agenda, and of course, those who claim he can't be Christian because he belongs to a different sect from their own.  I will leave the judgement of Obama's faith to his creator, not any man.

I hate no one,  can you say the same? 

Hy Raymond,

By all means start a debate between you and I.

GOT MY KING JAMES BIBLE READY TO GO.
I only use the Bible,dont depend on mens interpitation.

Start your debate now.  Lets just use scripture,no man made interpitation or web sites allowed.

I depend on the Holy Spirit to guide me. Do you?
Here is why.     John 16:13.

Your friend in Christ.

    gouda

 Oh gouda I have started an exclusive thread entitled ot excuse us debate between raymond -gouda! Please go their and explain why you call me either asomeone who drinks too much or a drug addict and then a cult christian! I DO NOT HATE ANYONE SUEINCC. I am commanded to love my neighbor as myself!  If I cared any less for any of yous here why even bother telling the truth! And for Gouda refere to 2 timothy3'16 and ask yourself this question?what is this we are to use it for reproof and correction and oh please no not instruction in righteousness! Oh dear world what shall we do for paul is telling timothy that we can be reprooved and rebuked and instructed how to live in righteousness. Raymond did not write that did he? NO