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by wuzzup on 02 February 2009 - 18:02
I was not referring to you insinuating I was an idiot Steve. I seem to have a tag team on me some times.I have gotten little dogs from the pound as a youth and trained them some pretty good stuff..Some were real good at protection.LOL Not that they could do much damage. I also trained a Yorkie pom mix to search for wayward grand kids and pups.My old Shepherd who has passed was easily trained to track people, ducks, horses.Anything I asked her to find she would. It came naturally to her. She never missed the target. She was a farm german shepherd and she new her job well.
by 4pack on 02 February 2009 - 18:02
wuzzup, some poeple only care about points. I you can't show them points/scorebooks, it all means nothing.
by wuzzup on 02 February 2009 - 18:02
Sports not for me.Its about the real work.To each his own, I do not begrudge them their hobby or fun, we all play different.
by Held on 02 February 2009 - 18:02
Malinois make up the majority of police dogs and most Malinois are trained in the ring and KNPV programs.knpv is also sport,so is french ring and mondio ring.so how can you say no sport is a good test for police dogs.just so we are clear on this i did not just say that shutzhund is not a good test for police dogs,this was a test for temperment and working ability and i am saying it is not good test for anything.because the way dogs get their titles.and yes inthe minds of the breeders and shutzhund people this is the only test they know and belive in and i am saying that is wrong.cost of a dog is none of my concern taht is subjective.there are morons who will pay hundread thousand for a dog.could not care less. have a nice one.
by steve1 on 02 February 2009 - 18:02
Wuzzup
and 4Pack
if you go for the sport of SchH then yes, it is about points as you know, but in getting those points the Dog and handler have to be spot on, and that is not easy on the day
I have seen top handlers make blatent mistakes. they are human like us all
Three hundred meters from my club is a Belgian Police Dog training place
I watch them work, and some come over to watch us
As far as i am concerned you only get out of a sport what you put in it, Nothing is done without training
In my day in my country i was among the very best at the sport of Karate at my weight even better than many fellows a lot bigger and heavier not that i bothered about size, i weighed only 9st 7lb in those days,
To beat someone bigger i used his strength and my speed , but it came at a price, Nothing is done without work, and so it is with the dogs as many of you know
The USA is a huge country, but how many handlers and Dogs will be good enough to compete in the WUSV in Germany. not a great many i bet, It is not so easy as some may think it is
Last year i watched all three Belgian Trials for the USA event
Two people and there dogs i was sure were going to get to the USA, but they were not good enough, and i thought then what chance of ever making just a fraction of the grade you need to be to even get to national standards,
Like all sports the very good are few and far between, that is why they are good
I am not a boasting sort of fellow but i am lucky in my life to do very well at two sports i took up,
And if i had taken up a thiird that was as a Steeplechase Jockey i would have made the grade again but i did not take it up as a profession that is my only regret in my life, so that is only what i think and not proven,
But none of the sports came without a lot of dedication and work and at at the cost of other things in life
Steve
and 4Pack
if you go for the sport of SchH then yes, it is about points as you know, but in getting those points the Dog and handler have to be spot on, and that is not easy on the day
I have seen top handlers make blatent mistakes. they are human like us all
Three hundred meters from my club is a Belgian Police Dog training place
I watch them work, and some come over to watch us
As far as i am concerned you only get out of a sport what you put in it, Nothing is done without training
In my day in my country i was among the very best at the sport of Karate at my weight even better than many fellows a lot bigger and heavier not that i bothered about size, i weighed only 9st 7lb in those days,
To beat someone bigger i used his strength and my speed , but it came at a price, Nothing is done without work, and so it is with the dogs as many of you know
The USA is a huge country, but how many handlers and Dogs will be good enough to compete in the WUSV in Germany. not a great many i bet, It is not so easy as some may think it is
Last year i watched all three Belgian Trials for the USA event
Two people and there dogs i was sure were going to get to the USA, but they were not good enough, and i thought then what chance of ever making just a fraction of the grade you need to be to even get to national standards,
Like all sports the very good are few and far between, that is why they are good
I am not a boasting sort of fellow but i am lucky in my life to do very well at two sports i took up,
And if i had taken up a thiird that was as a Steeplechase Jockey i would have made the grade again but i did not take it up as a profession that is my only regret in my life, so that is only what i think and not proven,
But none of the sports came without a lot of dedication and work and at at the cost of other things in life
Steve
by 4pack on 02 February 2009 - 19:02
Steve, I know how the points work, it's the same in any dogs sport, the dog can error as can the handler and cost points. PSA is no different in that aspect. Plaina nd simple, some people don't want to do Schutzhund tracking. Can you blame them? I doubt it, it's all personal preference. I train more than just what my sport requires and I do it for myself and my enjoyment. I don't really care what anybody else does, if they enjoy it and it's not causing harm to their dog or anyone elses. I'm not super competetive myself so I understand those who don't aspire to a World Title. Tootling around in your own backyard, is better than doing nothing at all. I did just that for years, just me and my dogs and books for training tips and ideas.
by wuzzup on 02 February 2009 - 19:02
Thats my point steve .All the training in the world and only a handful can go all the way.Yes it is a hard sport and I congratulate everyone and their dogs who do and do it well. Who knows maybe some day you will make it to the WUSV.You seem to have the determination and goal . All you need now is the right dog ,maybe Heidi. Good luck and have fun.
by Christopher Smith on 02 February 2009 - 19:02
wuzzup, some poeple only care about points. I you can't show them points/scorebooks, it all means nothing.
In the context of this conversation it does mean nothing. Sport is about points. And no matter how much training you have done you have never tracked “schutzhund” until you have a passing score in your scorebook.
I just went out and trained Mondio all weekend. Do I now have a Mondio dog?
BTW, if you ever get a chance to train with Johiem Dovat, DO IT!
by steve1 on 03 February 2009 - 07:02
Wuzzup and 4Pack
Yes, i know what you mean, not everyone is as Mad as i am, Or possibly the right word would be Concieted as i am
For when i have taken up any sport ,not G.S but physical Sports, i have to prove to myself i am up with the top if you get what i mean, and it is not for other people, i do it for but myself only, It it is to me like the lemmens who in turn destroy themselves i have to go forewards and there is nothing i could ever do to stop it
But i do not think it is the same with the Dogs, because it is not physical and no matter how much i work i put in and try , the case may be that i am not up to the task of being a very good handler even if i get the right dog
Of course i will keep trying that is my nature i do not admit defeat, but that alone may not make me a good enough handler. plus at my age it will become harder as the years go on but i do not think about that yet, as i feel only half my age, but then that is more in the mind i think
But according to a test i take at the Pigeon show every year, health check Blood test to see if i am suffering from the pigeon lung etc regards the bloom in the lofts, This year they had a test to check your lung compacity etc, The nurse said afterwards my lung compacity was as good and sound as a man half my age, which was good to here
I guess the point is to do what makes us happy, and not everyone with these great dogs have the same goals
First for me is Goran next month his BH, then in March his AD then his SchH1 two phases very good now, tracking very good as is Obed, just the Protection to brush up on and so long as he keeps improving he will go for it later this summer
As for Heidi she can go only one of two ways so we will see in about 10 months time she will let me know by then if it is there or not
Steve
Yes, i know what you mean, not everyone is as Mad as i am, Or possibly the right word would be Concieted as i am
For when i have taken up any sport ,not G.S but physical Sports, i have to prove to myself i am up with the top if you get what i mean, and it is not for other people, i do it for but myself only, It it is to me like the lemmens who in turn destroy themselves i have to go forewards and there is nothing i could ever do to stop it
But i do not think it is the same with the Dogs, because it is not physical and no matter how much i work i put in and try , the case may be that i am not up to the task of being a very good handler even if i get the right dog
Of course i will keep trying that is my nature i do not admit defeat, but that alone may not make me a good enough handler. plus at my age it will become harder as the years go on but i do not think about that yet, as i feel only half my age, but then that is more in the mind i think
But according to a test i take at the Pigeon show every year, health check Blood test to see if i am suffering from the pigeon lung etc regards the bloom in the lofts, This year they had a test to check your lung compacity etc, The nurse said afterwards my lung compacity was as good and sound as a man half my age, which was good to here
I guess the point is to do what makes us happy, and not everyone with these great dogs have the same goals
First for me is Goran next month his BH, then in March his AD then his SchH1 two phases very good now, tracking very good as is Obed, just the Protection to brush up on and so long as he keeps improving he will go for it later this summer
As for Heidi she can go only one of two ways so we will see in about 10 months time she will let me know by then if it is there or not
Steve
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