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by Kalibeck on 10 March 2009 - 22:03

Hey! I had a brain storm! We need to establish a 'Kid Swap', sort of like an Exchange Student----a group of working dog families make an arrangement that they take turns having the new puppy, so that when 1 family is bringing along a new pup, their kids are farmed out to the other families in the group, until the pup is titled. Then you do the same for your other club members. Guidelines would have to be set about how much labor the kids could be expected to help with, & likewise how much expense they would be allowed to incur, feeding & socialization rules would be needed.....insurance cards would mandatory, of course. The possibilities are endless!

by ShelleyR on 10 March 2009 - 23:03

Kid Swapping. Ha ha ha.

by AKGeorgias mom on 11 March 2009 - 02:03

We just moved from Alaska to Wisconsin with 2 GSDs, 2 guinea pigs and 3 young kids. I wanted to ride with the animals in the cargo area of the airplane for peace and quiet, but they wouldn't let me! Seriously, we were able to find a rental that allowed dogs (with a reference from out trainers) and the kids, found a vet, made sure we had heartworm and flea stuff ready to go since we never needed it where we lived, and had a hotel reservation that allowed the pets. I was so proud that my 2 walked through the revolving door so calmly, people just stared as we went by!

My point is, that especially with internet access to all sorts of info, it's not that hard to make proper arrangements to move the WHOLE family.

Opal

by katjo74 on 11 March 2009 - 03:03

Very well done, jletcher.
I've done GSD rescuing for over three years now. Reasons for people ditching their dogs(decently bred ones, too, some with AKC registering) were things like "kid scared of terror of a puppy"-puppy was raised from 6wks to 8 mos old and behaved fine-nothing overly busy at all about it except the collar they hadn't mentioned they'd let grow into her neck sometime when she was younger

---- "they got out of our fenced yard so we're worried they're a liability if we keep them"-reason given to me for giving up 2 nicely bred AKC GSD family companions ----- "fire dept lost their SAR dog funding so they all got mad, refused to release the papers for dog and wanted him dumped in a shelter or pound rather than placed with his papers to have a future" Hence we got him outta there thru a back door and into an indoor loving home he MORE than deserved------"boyfriend and I are now having a baby and will need our time to prepare and won't have time for our juvenile GSD" --Need I say anything?!?
Need I go further? I've heard more, but this says alot.

Whoever said it was a disposable society here is RIGHT.

And, am I the only person to notice how it almost seems like people want their new 8wk old puppies upon pick-up time fully housebroken, fully obedience trained, etc? It's like they don't wanna put the effort forth to properly train and teach their own puppy themselves. If it has a few messes in it's crate or jumps up on them and scratches them, you get the email "I'm not sure if I can keep dealing with this if it continues." Huh? A pup pees in his crate or jumps on their family because he/she's thrilled to see them and they're suddenly walking a fine line toward becoming homeless? Gee whiz.

by jletcher18 on 11 March 2009 - 04:03

Thank you all for your interest. At this time they have been placed, in the same home. we thought keeping them together would be best. The circus was in town and had room for both. they promised to feed, shelter, and work them. We felt it was the best way to go seeing how they didnt ask for any guarentees, and hopefully they will forget what town they picked them up in. We did have them give us a letter to not hold us liable for any damages they may cause.

john

by BubbaJ on 11 March 2009 - 05:03

Oh! Did someone say 'Kid Swap"?

I'd farm out mine, gladly. Anybody wants a snarky, moody, caustic 14-year old with a full-blown case of Adolescinitis? I'd house and train bunch of pups instead. Hell, I'd rather deal with a horde of rabid baboons on speed right about now...

by ShelleyR on 11 March 2009 - 13:03

Shelley knows better than to express any form of regret for not having had children in any company. I have always been offered an extended opportunity to enjoy the experience of parenthood from nearly everyone within earshot, effective immediately.

I did volunteer to watch 3 teenagers and a boarding kennel business, horse boarding facility in CA once in '98 while the parents went on a cruise. It was the longest, most traumatic week of my life. I soon learned why the parents spent so much time in the kennel.
The worst was when the kids had a wild party in the middle of the night. When I walked in from my apt in the rear of the property to break up the drinking and try to call the parents of anyone who didn't live there, they locked me in a room for the rest of the night and well into the next day. The window didn't open because the parents had nailed it shut to keep the kids from sneaking out. While I was locked up my puppies destroyed my apt.

I haven't baby-sat since, probably never will. The kids are adults with kids of their own now. We get along great, but I will NEVER let them forget that night!

SS

by dogvoice on 11 March 2009 - 13:03

Shelley; puppies and children have a lot in common. They need lots of love, attention, training, guidance, and a word not often heard anymore DISCIPLINE. Not all children behave like that, I know mine did not. They were taught my house my rules. They knew that meant no matter who the adult was that was supervising them. Love and training with a dog works the same way. I dont blame just the parents for the kids of today since alot of control has been taken out of their hands by the government but there are parents as well as dog owners who dont care what they do as long as they stay out of their way. I also firmly believe giving a child a dog and teaching them to care for the dog is good for a child and builds strong moral values and good character. Pets are a huge responsibility, all pet owners need to take this more seriously.

by ShelleyR on 11 March 2009 - 13:03

The Nevada state governmet brought back judicious spanking (not beating!) nearly ten years ago.
There was a reason.
SS

by dogvoice on 11 March 2009 - 14:03

Good for them! Mass. police tend to turn a blind eye to spankings provided they do not in any way harm the child or leave a mark. Most officers feel it is needed to help get a childs attention especially when the child is doing something that could cause them or another person serious harm.

Maybe big government will ammend the rules regarding spankings. It never hurt me as a child and it surely did not bring any harm to my children as well, unless respect for others and animals is harmful and or detrimental.

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