Over-Angulation, or Poor Structure? - Page 4

I like the male,  with age and maturity,  everything should come together nicely on him.

I like the male,  with age and maturity,  everything should come together nicely on him.

He is very young and still has a lot of growin, he might actually surprise you.

Lol wuzzup, what are you smoking? Yes, poor me, with my sorry V rated, KKL1, h.o.t. dog. You have run me off forever, I'm joining the poodle crowd. I suppose you know more than a koermeister now. I have a bitch (2x VP1, btw) whose saddle has bled up over time, but I do not breed her, as I state clearly on my site.  You also failed to notice in 8 years I have produced all of 2 litters.  I take my sweet time learning, I do not simply jump into cranking out puppies like your dear alter ego does.   And why, may I ask, would a faded saddle on a 6 year dog so deeply bother someone who sticks up for breeding blues?

BTW- This pic I'm sure you are referring to is of "Brixx" He was strained and leaning so horribly to get to his daddy I'm surprised he didn't fall on his face. There is a newer photo of him here on the database and you can clearly see his rear angulation is in no way extreme, although he is rather heavy in the body. I have advised to keep him lighter in weight.

Also, please note I said I like the puppy's type. I did not comment on him past that. I pointed out that you can't judge a young dog on one photo. I do not defend any showline dog, I sure as hell don't defend the ones who can't work. But I will not judge a dog, for good or ill, that I cannot see for myself. I have seen very poor movement and extreme angles (in person) and I do not like it one bit. 

URGH!!

Give me a real GSD, like the ones the good Captain had in mind. Nowadays it is next to impossible to find a straght backed, properly angled dog like the greats of old; Klodo vom Boxberg and Horand von Grafrath

Ok, Folks...

It seems I've kicked a hornet's nest on this one.  I didn't like the way this pup was standing.  Yes, I know that the handler is the person who put this dog in this ridiculous position, but some of it could definitely be the pup himself.  If you're a fan of that type, great.  I think he looks like he's too hunched up, to me.  I've seen lots of pictures of pups at his age, and I haven't seen many that showed the pup looking so poorly.

Badgsd...The dog in my avatar was my Ambred German Shepherd Dog Prince.  I know he didn't have great structure.  I was a stupid kid when I got him from a puppy mill backyard breeder.  I never said my boy was the epitome of what Max von Stephanitz envisioned.  He was weak nerved, and not great in structure.  I never intended to breed him, just wanted a friend and companion.  He wasn't great, not even really a GOOD GSD, but at least he didn't look like he was going to collapse in the rear end.  Perhaps you like that type, and if so, that's fine with me.  I personally prefer a dog that has less of a 'roach' in its back, and less excessive angulation. 

As for what I'm "into", I prefer a GSD with good color, great temperament, excellent structure, and most importantly, not over angulated because that's what the show ring want this year.  I'm not saying that your showlines are bad...A lot of them are absolutely stunning dogs to look at.  All I'm saying is that good structure, and proper angulation, should be obvious even as a puppy. 

With regard to the issue of WL versus SL versus Ambred, it's sad to see such an incredible division of opinions.  I don't know what Captain von Stephanitz would say about what's happened to the breed he founded, but I'd think he'd be disappointed to see how those who love this breed can treat each other so badly over an opinion.  After all, we're all entitled to our opinions, aren't we?  The majority of the response to my post were opinions, both in agreement and not, with mine, but only a couple felt the need to put me down and point to my own dog, whom I freely agree has poor structure.  No arguement there.

I'm sorry if I've offended anyone here, but I am entitled to my opinion. 

Crys

One other thing. I've seen another pic of the pup, and he's not posed for a collapse in this one, but I still think I agree with my earlier post.  He's also a bit short bodied, at this point, although, as some posted earlier, he has a lot more growing to do.  Needs time, I guess.  We'll see.

Crys

Alter ego my foot, Your titled dogs are bought your kkl1 or what ever is bought that way not bred by you .whats up with those  white toes LOL.I guess we wont be seeing you winning  as breeder handler at the top shows anytime soon.lol Hypocrisy at it's finest ,I will see if I can get some one to put your dogs picture up and have it picked apart. Turn about fair play.Oh and your dog had hip dysplasia.Oh  and two ltters in 8 years a real expert you are.Better save some money and buy a real dog.